I am suprised.

I...thought Mikey and Flounce were buttbuddies from back in the day. Why does Mikey seem so absolutely scared to hell and back that there's a delivery at the back entrance?

>>11529

Possible: Mikey was the pitcher instead of the catcher when he knew Flounce prior to his relationship with Persia.

Likely: Naylor's an idiot.

>>11530

Viable point, really. Suppose I'll give the benefit of the doubt for now.

>>11527

If the character Flounce wasn't teabagged out of his original conception I would be totally A-Okay with said content. Plus the whole way Naylor goes about his relationship with 'Mikey' is subtly degrading and it isn't as enjoyable as it could be.

So...anal sex between men, even when facilitated by a woman, is gay...isn't it?

I assume I'm not the only one who, when looking at this page, has no idea WTF is going on?

I'm serious, his comics are moving more and more towards Cubism.

>>11527
>>It was kind of a shift to draw Persia in a more dominant role, but in the presence of such a femmy fellow, it's bound to happen.

Because naturally, female=submissive, and the more feminine you are the more submissive you are, until you can eventually actually be a tiiiiny bit more submissive than those naturally submissive real girls.

I wish he'd just re-embrace the gay. I like his gay stuff. Don't hurt me.

>>11535

Don't forget that being gay was just a phase.

LOL @ Naylor Cubism

Wow, how big are big fingers?

Big fingers are big.

Bodies tangled. Can't tell who's what. I mean, flounce isn't white furred. Shouldn't he be, I don't know, DARKER?

>>11535

To be fair, Persia has always seemed to be dominant with Flounce. See "The Better Mousetrap"; flounce seemed to be the definite sub there. Flounce has been drawn on a leash, held by a black cat before. Hell, even in "True Love", she was the assertive one.

And, it's not uncomon for people of the dominant/sub lifestyle to be dominant with This gender, Submissive with That gender. I suppose that, the girlier the guy, the more it might ping the female over the male part.

So I feel compelled to defend something when it can make sense/be done well, and isn't JUST Naylor's opinion. But, then that means I have to defend Naylor. It sucks ass when he does stuff that I Would like if only he wasn't doing them.

>>11541

You're sort of missing the point. It's not about dominance and submissiveness within the kink/fetish/lifestyle. Take a moment, breathe, and then actually look at what he said.

>>It was kind of a shift to draw Persia in a more dominant role, but in the presence of such a femmy fellow, it's bound to happen.

He SPECIFICALLY equated submissiveness and femininity.

>>11536

No, you are right. Naylor draws some decent girly-boys - it's why this sucks so much.

>>11542

And you missed my point: Persia has always been in a bit of a dominant role with Flounce from the beginning.

>>It was kind of a shift to draw Persia in a more dominant role, but in the presence of such a femmy fellow, it's bound to happen.

urge...to kill...rising....!

Am glad Sechs said it first, or I'd be ranting, as I am terrible at succinctness.

Seriously, that's just....AUGH. That mindset makes my skin crawl.

And, like someone else said, hasn't Persia ALWAYS seemed pretty dom in all his works? Although I guess by Naylor logic that's cuz Flounce is, like Mikey, a 'femmey' fella, speaking stereotypically...blaaargh.

Here's what I don't get. From what I've observed from RL gay guys, the idea that one flaming gay dude, would rehook up with an ex who is now doing "ew, girls", somehow get's him in a threesome with said girl, wouldn't Mikey not want to get it on with said girl around?

>>11561

Dude. You're expecting Naylor to have any kind of understanding of human behavior or emotion.

Sociopath, remember?

People, people - Naylor is gonna have two dudes bangin', like he did with that rabbit husband dude.

This is fuckin' fodder for the LOLJectivists.

Rofl, Dammit Sechs, you beat me to saying it!

I was wondering how long it would take for this picture to be thrown up and how long till that equation was muttered.

It's exactly what I was thinking. In the "Naylorverse" women are subs, being femmy means your the sub to a woman.. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST...

*just rolls eyes*

Off topic, I'd love to see just a group of people from this board walk up to Naylor's booth in unison at a con. The reaction would be hilarious.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3189497 Look what I found! An attempt to justify that 'cheating' kink? Naylor has..

>>11577
Forgot to add this gem as wrote by Naylor..

Emeraldvixxx is correct. Sleeping with someone you're falling in love with, after falling out of love with the person you're currently with, is not polyamory. The intent is to be monogamous with your new partner.

>>11577

I don't have a furaffinity account, can some describe it to me and tell me what it says?

>>11565
Two rabbit dudes.... When was this?

>>11582
No Remorse.

>>11578

What?

>>11581

Essentially the new context of his latest comic has to do with polygamy, which had disturbed a watcher who also pointed out various other instances of characters in the Naylorverse whom 'cheat'. Upon bringing up the subject, Naylor along with blindly loyal fans defended his viewpoint on the subject. Which Naylor essentially summed up his 'fetish' so to speak of being about falling out of love with others and with others. Along with saying cheating-partners were not callous,cruel assholes but instead people who needed to escape. But really it's a fallacious means of character development. The characters never find anything more then a better dick to fuck when they leave their current relationships for the fresh-cock. There is no real proof of better chemistry or finding a kindred spirit - usually it's skimmed over in crappy-Naylor-wrtting fashion. He never attempts to make the characters better- the people they leave are usually played out as horrible-assholes with nothing to them except being horrible-assholes. Now granted if Naylor knew a thing or two about character-development, he could play off these scenarios well.

>>11582
not only was it two rabbit dudes, they were brothers. But it was only like 1 page (don't even think it was a full page, just like 2 panels).
Everything else was skanktastic rachel getting plowed by anonymous dicks and all in all being a complete bitch to her femboi fiance/husband.

>>11529
I think he's more freaked out because persia is holding his head with her thighs/actually sitting on his head.
Course this is naylor so it could actually end up as an "Oh noes! Not teh buttsechs, I straight!" type thing.

>>11586

Rachel may have been skanky- but it was one of his few instances of having a woman with albeit a bit of control. At least sexually she was using that as power over the domain of males. Eventually if you notice - he dumped her off once he realized this.

I realize Rachel is one of the most hated characters in BD, but she was one of the few I actually LIKED. Her inner monologue in "No Remorse" was the most depth I've seen from any of his characters. I really wish she'd been in the hands of a better writer, because I think that her desire for self-destruction through excess promiscuous sex with men while simultaneously relishing controlling them and the naked mirror of herself she found in her own husband's willigness to be humiliated through sex was a really interesting angle.

Also, is it just me, or is she the only Naylor female to be shown with an interest in black/hyena ("Everyone needs a little mandingo!")fellows? Because only an evil loathsome super duper slut would bang a darkie, right? Well, I mean, Beth did get some 'multicultural' strippers but she was supposed to be going to for an 'around the world' theme rather than actually specifically wanting to fuck a black guy, so idk.

>>11594
Yeah, agreed, Naylor was probably drunk on something when he wrote No Remorse, when he sobered up, he realised Rachel wasn't some fucktoy for men anymore, he gave her a brain. So yeah. He did that drawing on his FA of Rachel with three little kids from different fathers to 'cover up his mistakes' obviously.

>>11594

1) I liked "No Remorse", and Rachel's part in it. Her relationship with Alex (the rabbit in No Remorse) was, while not "healthy", a "good" situation for them both. Alex obviously got off on being cuckolded, on his wife cheating on him. So, she got to be a whore, he got to be demeaned, and they both enjoyed the situation. Sure it's fucked up, but it was honest and worked for them.

Compared to what she was doing to Tommy, it's downright quaint.

2) Bobby, Sheila's sister, was dating a hyena at one point in Better days.

>>11585

Well. There is the Doris Hinderson comic. Where, at the end, both husband and wife are getting it put-to by the dog and cat pair, and it seems to make their lives better. There, you have a "Swinger" situation. Also, gay sex.

Also, there's the fact that Elizabeth cheated on her husband, and wound up marrying the guy she cheated with: Fisk.

Also the Red Riding Hood situation, where Red cheats on Pablo with her rapist, and her rapist trucks her off to the wilderness to live with his pack where she's a constant, happy drugged up cockwhore.

Pic related, as I'm sure this is what's really going through Naylor's head when he ain't drunk.

[/obvious]

>>Bobby, Sheila's sister, was dating a hyena at one point in Better days.

Oh god, I remember that. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Bobbie goes into the same 'bad woman' category in Naylorworld too, so it makes sense, plus there was the implication she was only doing it for shock value.

And I realize I sorta derailed/posted off-topic with the Rachel stuff. Sorry, it's late. Back on the cheating thing, it'd be one thing if he just said, yes, I have a fetish for this so I draw it. I can respect that, I think. But dressing it up with convoluted explanations to make it seem like anything other than just 'I have this kink' irks me. Just admit you have a fetish like the rest of us plebes. Not saying all kinks should automatically be immune from scrutiny, but his whitewashing his to make it seem 'not bad' and not even a sexual thing for him (which it really so blatantly is) is just...uggggh. It's not like cuckold fetishes are even that uncommon, from what I know.

That said, I wish he would keep the simplistic porn-plot of 'other spouse is 2D jerk' out of actual storytelling, because porn plots are meant to be flat and simple and not contain complex characterization...which is not so good in an actual story about people and relationships. As others have said, it is rarely that simple, and all parties have their reasons, and there's just a wealth of situations which could lead to such a thing aside from 'oh I like this guy now bai bb' not to mention resulting emotions such as guilt and...oh, wait, Naylor wouldn't have a concept of guilt, would he? Sociopath and all.

>>11601

Men cheating in his eyes tend to be studs who have lots of opportunity..unless they are with a female that 'Fisk' or other randian males have in mind. Females whom are loose are just considered slutty and terrible- or if they are loose its because of being held against will (Persia's vague drug addiction storyline?).

>>11577 Seriously how do you guys fan over this guy when he treats his fans so shitty? He's writing a comic fans have questions and when they challenge him on something that frankly is a legit question he goes and nukes them with a "why do you care". I'd have answered, you know, just why do I care about your shitty cheating characters?

>>11608

The way he acts when a fan talks to him at cons? Makes me want to vomit.

You know this is the prime example of why you can't have porn characters then try to have a sensible story with them, don't they have a fucking baby?

>>11610
People with kids aren't allowed to have sex lives?

>>11610

Porn + Good story + Good characters can co-exist.

I can't imagine that, with all the trashy romance novels out there, one has yet to get it right.

It just takes someone with good writing skills.

>>11594

Ironically, whenever Naylor tries to make a character that every one is supposed to hate, the opposite usually happens.

>>11606

tl;dr men cheating is ok, women cheating is not ok.. unless it's with Fisk.

>>11609

Elaborate, please. I've never seen him at a convention.

>>11612

Actually i've read some smut online which actuall happens to have some good characters and story in it. The problem is that it's usually not the mian focus to have good story in smut becuase most of the audience is'nt interested in that, or will quickly lose interest in the story.

Example- Wow, i really like this story and the characters are really well thought ou- zOMG!LOOK! I CAN SEE HER NIPPLE!!1!

How else could Naylor manage to make money off of his trash?

>>11613

Basically he ignores them completely except for clipped, curt responses ("Hi." "Nope." "Yep.") while looking everywhere except at the person addressing him, or on the rare occasion he actually does talk, it's in a highbrow, "Okay, I'll humor the peons" manner.

>>11614

So he thinks that he's so high and mighty that he doesn't need to address 'commoners'?

>>11615

Sounds about right; remember, this is a guy who once dismissed his detractors because he claimed he was "something they cannot understand".

Seriously.

>>11616
Don't forget "Why do you always talk down to people?" "Because they keep talking up to me."

>>11617

What the fuck does that even mean, anyway?

>>11618

Talking up, I would assume, is basically fawning behavior.

>>11611

It's not that, it's just random gay buttsecks with no cohesive reasoning other then profit. Naylor knows fans have been pandering for some gay-porns and he probably secretly habours some attraction to it (at least artistically it seems to be that way..) I mean yeah, ex porn-star junkie may be keen on the idea but her husband whom was cured of any homosexuality suddenly into a threesome with an ex-lover? After being married,with a kid and as Naylor wrote 'settled down'? Again, nonsensical but I imagine he is going to make alot on this one considering the content.

>>11627
You misunderstand my post, I think. I wasn't questioning the line in >>11610 about not doing both regular stories and porn featuring the same characters; though it's not impossible to do well, it can be difficult even for talented writers, which puts it well beyond Naylor's reach. The part I was questioning was...

>...don't they have a fucking baby?

...which seems to suggest that it's somehow improper to have a sex life if you also have a baby.

>>11634

I may be wrong, but what they might have been implying is that some people might see it as morally wrong to be screwing with a guy when she has a baby with another, or possibly even WHERE is the baby?

I see Persia in the second panel. That's literally the only character in any panel I can actually make out. I'm just going to have to take Naylor's word for it that this is a Persia/Flounce/Mikey threesome.

I can make out what's going on. It doesn't make sense in sequence, but...

1. Mikey is tonguing Persia's snatch. (That's his hair spike near the upper right.)

2. She's switched positions (somehow) and is now sitting on his neck, popping bottle of lube, and for reasons I don't get Mikey's scared like the might of God and The Holy Choir are about to run up and hold a party in his poopchute.

3. Persia, with lubed up hand, strokes Flounce's chest.

4-5-6. Then she lubes up his dick, pressed up against Mikey's backside, shoves a sausage-finger inside to grease the slide, and makes a face up at Flounce.

I'm guessing Flounce is standing on the bed, as we've seen him as shorter than Persia several times.

The weirdest part seems to be the transition between 1 and 2--Mikey is applying his oral skills to Persia from underneath with her ass in the air (her tail's facing upwards), but in the panel he's suddenly face down, not to mention going from a grin of sorts to sudden unadulterated fear at the sound of a bottle being opened. It's jarring, aside from just trying to figure out what's going on in the beginning.

Though I know why Mikey's scared. The more I look at Persia's facial expression in panel 2, the more _I_ get scared. THOSE EYES. THOSE...EYES...

>>11617

>>Don't forget "Why do you always talk down to people?" "Because they keep talking up to me."

>>11619

>>Talking up, I would assume, is basically fawning behavior.

Heh, if Naylor has a problem with that then he should'nt ban anyone who does'nt do just that.

>>11666

always thought that was persia licking mikey's ass..huh.

I guess the tuft of black hair is the only indication..i looked and look and see no vagina.

>>11671

It's because Naylor draws some weird-ass Virginia. The only things that I see to absolutely make it Persia is the placement of what he's licking (down, in the front of the pelvis, opposite the tail), the fluffy tail (Flounce's is smooth), and the slight triangular shape. My guess is she was straddling his face, and is now pulling away.

Oh, and if it were a rimjob we'd be treated to loving closeups and cutaway views.

I think Persia's rimming Mikey. The pointed teeth are there.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3189497/#cid:23785297
I tried to phrase the critique politely, and Naylor's response was...civil, if not a little taciturn. That's not really the problem here (surprisingly enough, given his usual reputation for handling criticism.) Rather, it's his actual answer.

"It's more clear with the other pages accompanying?" Really? Any artists here care to weigh on on whether or not it's ever a good idea to A) design a page that's impossible to read without other pages nearby to put it in context, and B) take that impossible-to-read-without-the-other-pages page away from the other pages that allegedly give it context and promote it as a single sample? Is it supposed to stand on its own, or not?

Persia looks like she's still coked out of her mind. That expression in the first panel is weirdin' me.

Imagine someone being loyal to you out of a sense of moral necessity, as opposed to out of a sense of their own happiness and comfortability. A sense that you fulfill someone else's selfish desire is a truly earned point of pride. A sense that someone's just with you because they feel morally obligated to, is not an earned point of pride. That they have a loving feeling for someone else and would prefer to be with them, is what matters, not that they did or didn't have sex before or after they broke up with you. The love they have for the other person is what is relevant, not the act of sex.

It may or may not be wise for someone to come out right away and reveal their intentions and feelings to the person they want to break up with, depending on their situation. They may be with a combative partner who is hard to talk to. They may be living with the person and setting themselves up for many uncomfortable days and nights before they've made plans to leave. It's all a personal decision about when they feel it's the right time, and an appeal to "loyalty" and veiled insults relating to having "spine" are just hollow words cast from a presumptuous outsider.


Earned point of pride? What? Is that some objective bullshit or something? Also what's with all the 'moral obligation' he is pulling out of his ass about his characters? Robert left his partner because she was 'fat,spent his money and bitched', Flounce left his partner cause...? He was lazy? Elizabeth's husband merely had an affair and she did the same.. but nothing was very in depth there.. So far as that one guy who married Shelia.. that seemed more of a 'moral obligation' of bitter married couples but then again they had kids.
But nothing ever goes deep enough in a story to explain this even moderately, its just 'Hey this guy/girl is an asshole, Im gonna leave em!'

>>11679

It's bad layout design. Viewer should never not be able to tell what's going on. The pictures should be able to tell the story sans text.

It's one page of a multi-page comic, taken completely out of context. And honestly...is there anyone who posts on this board that can draw any better? Not "I have access to pron in my archives", but ACTUALLY DRAW THEMSELVES. Also bear in mnd that this IS a porn comic he's drawing here...that there's ANY sort of story involved is impressive.


Playing devil's advocate cuz I can.

(And nothing of value was lost.)

>>11695

I say, how long have you been on this board?

Actually I do draw (good enough to win competitions) and even though I'm not a pornographer, even I know that the reader should be able to understand what is going on. On this page, the characters are so similar despite being different species, I prolly wouldn't have known this was a threesome if he hadn't kept it in his written description. As for context, well that still makes it a piss poor example page. What if the rest of the series is just as awkward and jumbled?

He really needs to review story boarding but good luck telling this artist how to improve anything. He just writes people off as "jealous" or "wrong".

>>11695
That's the lamest, most contrived argument one could offer. "What? You think My Chemical Romance sucks? Pfft, I don't see YOU making millions with your music!" "What's that? Stephanie Meyer is a bad author? Let's see you do better, hotshot!" Similarly, I'm not allowed to have an opinion women because I'm not one, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on the Senate because I'm not in it, and I'm not allowed to have an opinion on nuclear weapons because I don't own any and have never been incinerated by any.

Point being, just because you don't/can't draw doesn't mean you can't criticize Naylor's artwork.

>>11695
OH LOOK IT'S THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN

>>11695

>is there anyone who posts on this board that can draw any better?

That fallacy is the last desperate attempt of a bootlicker who can't argue worth a damn to discredit those whom he is arguing against.

I should ban you for that. But you're lucky I'm in a generally good mood. (The other mods, however, I can't speak for.)

In short: we're going to rip on Naylor's shit until we're sick and tired of it, and if you don't like it, you can kiss our asses. Or better yet, go kiss Naylor's ass; literally or metaphorically, I don't care which.

>>11695

>>And honestly...is there anyone who posts on this board that can draw any better?

...you'd be surprised. And even if there weren't, that's still a retarded argument.

>>11695

I was instructed by a master that said that everyone is an expert on anatomy when it comes to seeing and understanding. Even if you don't draw, you can tell something is wrong. The difficulty is translating your innate knowledge into works of art and she claimed that was only a matter of rigorous training that anyone can learn how to do(The talented just have an easier time at it).

If I put full effort into drawing every day, studying everyday, and honing my craft, I guarantee I would be a better artist than Jay Naylor. There's no doubt in my mind.

>>11695

>Playing devil's advocate cuz I can.

Prepare for really-fucking-foreseen consequences.

>>11695
Yeah, but you see, just approx. 10 pages of random sex that doesn't fit together doesn't work. You NEED SOME KIND of storyline, otherwise it's nothing better than some random sketches with boxes around them.
Besides, most of us here CAN draw proportionately. We don't all have fancy webcomics and charge people to look at our stuff, but if we critique art, it's because we know better.


--Also, the banned person won't be able to read this, is it a good idea to let the banned people see the rest of their argument for about 20 posts? So they can 'read and weep' or soemthing? I dunno, I think it'd be kinda funny.

>>11695 Raises hand.

It doesn't matter if it's one page or one panel, if the viewer is confused about what's going on, you've taken them out of the story and thus your layout is not effective. You don't even have to be a great artist to do linear visual story telling. The minute people are guessing what's going on, you've done something wrong.

>>11714

This

so I'm still trying to figure out who the mystery character is on page 6 of the last chapter of better gays. What if it's Mikey? It's a stretch, but it was never resolved and Naylor would be the type to pull some gay piece of idiocy like that.

if it turns out that it is, I will shit a brick. Not because I'm so surprised, but because that would be the stupidest plot twist ever.

>>11769 Fisk gave the herm hyena a buttbaby!

Where's dat shoop of it?

>>11769

>it was never resolved
>Naylor

Gee, imagine that.

>>11771

Ah yes, "Unresolved Plot Point #49."

From the Twit's Twitter:

Looking at a next week release for the latest adult project. Then something else small before the third RRH installment.

Buckle up. Badly boarded buttsechs next week, then more antics with the wolves and lolis.

>>11769

It's Fisk's illegitimate child he fathered with the hyena. He/she will turn up in Original Life sometime to fuck things up royally, mark my words.

>>11838

nope - wont happen. naylor would never allow an action fisk does to have negative consequences

inb4"oh balls"

So when is this comic due out or is it gona be done soon or what ?

>>11771
Yes, by golly, Naylor and unresolved issues? Blasphemy!
>>11861
You're not very bright are you? Reading wasn't your strong point? >>11799

Drawing a gay porn comic is easy. It's like drawing two halves of a straight porn comic and putting them together.

http://twitter.com/JayRNaylor/status/7730110610

>>11939
Hrm. This is closer than the 'I'm not implying that bisexuality is immature' comment in his journal.
... We're very close to the motherload people, tread carefully.

Jay nay will love to role play wiff dess bitches

>>11939

>>11939

>>Drawing a gay porn comic is easy. It's like drawing two halves of a straight porn comic and putting them together.

What, i mean... what. Am i the only one who doesn't understand what he just siad?

>>11943

I get it, it's just retarded. He's basically writing two straight scripts, then taking the female out of both and gluing the remnants together--in short, where the Male in Story A would be doing something to a woman originally, he'll now do it to the man from Story B, who will respond as he would to his own woman...it's like Choose Your Own Adventure: The Very Back Of The Closet.

I think that tweet broke my brain.

Win @ "Choose Your Own Adventure: The Very Back Of The Closet."

We get it Jay, you like to cut and paste. But anyone who's been looking at your art can tell.

That tweet made my brain hurt a lot. I wonder how Jay's "friends" feel about his belief of making a gay comic...

Not sure if I should follow Naylor in order to just call him out on his inane ramblings.

>>11982

This implies he has friends.

>>11939
Sure it starts out "gay porn is easy to draw" next thing is "Fags aren't bad people" then the slippery slope to "MAN I LUV SUCKIN' DICKS!"

>>11985

I don't think you have to follow him to reply to him on Twitter. Just plug @JayRNaylor into a tweet, and as long as you aren't blocked, he'll probably see it.

>>12002

But you'll probably only get to fire one off before you're blocked.

We can only hope, Age.

anyone grab it yet?

>>12035

From the FA submission page for that cover:

I finished this up over the weekend. It was sort of an experiment in a comic with a very strong male/male streak, even if the "men" don't look very "manly" in the traditional sense. That's about the best I can do. I think I've fostered a predominantly straight fanbase, so we'll see how well this goes. Persia has flashy moments in it, too, and features prominently on the cover. I toned up her butt a little more without making it necessarily smaller.

This is a small black and white comic. I'll be doing another small project considering my time constraints this early in the year. I have three conventions stacked up in the first three months of the year. Once that's done, I'll probably do the third installment of Red Riding Hood.

Am I the only one who keeps seeing Flounce as Person? Maybe I am, he's not the most famous artist around.

Larger cover. I will admit--Persia got booty.

Shame it's like one of those hentai anthologies--the actual comic is -never- as good as the cover art.

>> I think I've fostered a predominantly straight fanbase, so we'll see how well this goes.

I call BS. This is Naylor's wishful thinking.

Prediction: People beg Naylor to do more gay stuff, at which point he throws up his hands and cries and says "Goddamnit you faggots leave me alone" and crawls further into the closet, drawing giant foreskin sandworms burrowing into prepubescent girl butts.

Essentially, keeps on trucking.

>>12040
Ahem. Dis is me.

>>12039

Something about Flounce's friend looks familiar, but I don't know what it is...

http://shareboo.com/?0iffd89jbe6idg98

Well, I approve, and I was one of the people slamming him for the no-kink take on Red Riding Hood, he even purposely avoided a DP shot.

So after a bitter exchange of emails between us, this is pretty nice, kind of a "now get off my nuts, fags".

Yep, >>11527 that panel is still just as confusing with the rest of the comic and the text added.

>>12048
?

Wait what, 01-02 insinuate Flounce was a what? hooker? gay hooker?

Meh, better than average, most definitely.

I'm still reeling from Naylor saying it was odd to have Persia take a more dominant role...the dude doesn't even know his own characters. Wasn't she really aggressive to the point of making Flounce cross-dress in public?

Hey look, I was right about the sample page--Mikey -is- giving Persia a bit of the tongue twister.

>>12049

He was a butt-boy for hire, yeah. Some of the older artwork has him as a pet, but I dunno if that still stands. This is gayer than Naylor's made Flounce in ages.

>>12052

I learned something today.

Well...one can tell this was rushed, that's for sure. As usual, he's tried to pack too much low quality art into each panel, and the whole scene becomes a mesh of body parts (particularly the last 4 pages)

Not that I or anyone was expecting anything particularly great anyway.

Click. Delete.

OK, I know this a weird thing to pick, and the folio is brand new, but man this is stuck in mah craw.

What the hell is Mikey supposed to be doing? Hugging? Sucker punching Persia in the jaw? Running by with the Olympic torch? This is the sort of hug pose I see in Second Life, man.

>>12055

It looks like he's trying to hug her, but she's got so much hairspray in her hair that it's developed mass.

Holy shit! The best (read: most fucked up) parts were the fact that Mikey was performing home invasion (door's unlocked!), Persia is totally okay with walking in on a home invader feeling up her man, and they've got a kid on his way home.

My favorite panel was the shot of Flounce's "beautiful house." It looked like someone had half-tagged Snuffaluffagus on a half-painted billboard.

Naylor was all bragging about himself in his journal through his musing on Flounce being a successful man. Is this Naylor's fantasy? His girlfriend lets him bang an old buddy?

Naylor's characters continue to be GLORIOUSLY fucked-up, John Waters style, only he doesn't get it.

- Ex-bottom-boy with a wife and kid who wants to fuck his old friend.

- Ex-abused-pornstar who will have facilitate gay sex at the drop of a hat

- Small, fay gay guy who will enter an unlocked door and grope a chick just to be with an old flame

Alongside Naylor's secret-agent-incest-mass-murderer, husband-stealing-idiot-dog, Catholic-girl-who-facilates-wedding-day-incest, self-objectifying-little-girl-mouse, one has to appreciate the Pantheon of What the Hell that Naylor has created.

Ayn Rand would shit a capitalist brick if she were here to encounter Naylor. He'd be excommunicated from the Objectivists faster than someone who said "FDR wasn't all bad..."

>>12057

Am I the only one who doesn't see this as "fucked up"? I mean, if this was anyone else drawing this, these characters would just be "open" and/or it would just be seen as a hot threesome.

I know we like to read really firmly into it because Naylor is so obvious with his shortcomings, but c'mon folks.

>>12060

You're right, with most other writers, we would indeed just ignore it, or choke it up to "this is porn, so we can accept a lot of breaks from reality".

But this is Jay Naylor we're talking about, a guy who's been known to ban people from his livejournal if they suggest that his folios should be seen as porn rather than actual literature. If he takes his own pornfolios so seriously, I think we have a right to do it too.

Here's the comic btw

wat

I'm straight, and even i hate the way Naylor portrays gay people. I mean seriously, why not just go all the way and throw in a rainbow and some sparkles while he's at it?

>>12069

The only thing i actually like about this comic is the fact that Naylor actually is showing a woman being dominant. Of course, Mikey seems to be focusing way to much on Persia's lower regions for a guy who is gay.

Also, DAT ASS!

Honestly...with the exception of the dialogue and if you forget who the characters are...this wasn't the worst.

I dare say...almost tolerable.

Wow, I really missed the bandwagon here. Since when was hating Naylor the new fad? Musta missed that memo >.>

>>11769
As I recall, the hyena was going to kill herself before Fisk stopped her. I'm willing to bet that is her unseen child that would have been left motherless had he not been there.

>>11838
And no, it's not Fisk's.

Also god damn, when was the last time Naylor drew gay sex? I am aware of really old Flounce pictures, but I don't have access to his sketch blog or anything.

>>12074
why is he thanking persia, anyway? "thank for letting me get fucked by your husband"?

>>12078
since you're obviously new here; welcome to /fisk/, where we all talk about how bad naylor is!

Persia works out to stay as sexy as possible? Oh Naylor, how can anyone call you superficial?

I kinda had issues with the fact that Persia comes home to find her husband almost cheating on her and is completely fine with it. I mean, I know it's a pornfolio, but that couldn't have been arranged any other way? Imagine coming home to find your spouse up against their ex.

Then again, maybe it's Persia's slutty past that's made her so... slutty.

Also, yeah, Mikey. You know Naylor, not ALL gay guys are women with cocks. It would be nice to see some butch/masculine guys getting it on.

>>12082

Why not just some normal gay guys? It seems to either always be a swing between the ultra masculine and the ultra feminine. There are a lot of just normal gay guys out there.

How much is he selling this crap for anyways?

"I have a beautiful woman."

"I have a woman, and a son..."

Jesus fucking CHRIST. Even if Persia isn't his wife (did Naylor ever even bother to specify? He still hasn't even named their kid), isn't there a better way to refer to being with her than "having a woman?"

"I have a girlfriend." "I have a lover." "I have a partner (Whoops, forgot we're in the Naylorverse)."

PEOPLE DO NOT FUCKING TALK LIKE THIS, NAYLOR.

Really, Naylor sucks at writing. This 'portfolio' is just more proof. Go back to whatever community college taught you storytelling and get your money back, Jay.

>>12087
Germans do talk like that. Maybe it's a sign of admiration for his favourite country besides the USA?

So, the best part about this whole comic was what? The cover?

Okay, I'm awake. Gimme a few minutes to get my brain in order, and I'll give this thing the traditional review.

>>12078

You can leave anytime you want :)

Alright, here we go.

Pg. 01 - Meh. Dialogue is not one of Naylor's strong suits. Still, it serves as passable setup to the folio.
Pg. 02 - For a guy who's supposed to have a "girly" body, Mikey sure has a flat ass. And comedy is also not one of Naylor's strong suits.
Pg. 03 - Mikey's eyes are WAY too big in that next-to-last panel. Also, the pose/perspective on Persia is confusing.
Pg. 04 - I do have to admit, seeing Persia take charge is nice. And I may as well say it: DAT ASS.
Pg. 05 - ...eh. I'm sure some people will LOVE that last frame, but the whole page overall is just...bland to me.
Pg. 06 - Seen it, commented, movin' on.
Pg. 07 - Again, this is just...bland. There's nothing to keep me interested in the sex. No amusing dialogue (like RPG), no interesting positions...nothing. It's almost...mechanical, really.
Pg. 08 - Another mostly bland page, though I admit the last frame is a rather nice image. Probably would have been nicer if he'd drawn a wide shot of all three in the throes of passion; seeing the look on Flounce and Persia's faces would have been a great touch. Naylor really should look at how other comics - like, say, those offered on ClubStripes - to see how a good layout and pacing is done.
Pg. 09 - Okay, there's a look at their faces, not bad. But again, this is just bland as hell, and the last frame is confusing me; is Mikey sucking on his own dick, is he eating Persia out...what the hell is going on, Naylor?
Pg. 10 - Okay, so it appears he's eating Persia out while she's straddling his face, or at least that's what I can gather from seeing Persia sucking on his dick for most of the page. And again: comedy isn't one of Naylor's strong suits.

The Hate Meter (the lower, the better) - I'm gonna give this a 6 out of 10. Naylor had the opportunity to actually branch out and appeal to a part of the furry community he's practically been avoiding for years, but instead, he half-asses it and produces one of his blandest, most boring pornfolios to date. I could get behind the idea of Mikey being part of a threesome with Persia and Flounce; it's a nice change from the traditional "two women, one man" threesome setup you see in porn. But when the scenes showing the actual threesome concentrate more on Persia being pleasured than on Flounce and Mikey, that strikes me as odd - it's as if Naylor WANTED to draw gay stuff, but he knew that if he did, he'd start getting more requests for more of that kind of content. So he intentionally half-assed the folio in order to prevent an audience who would potentially enjoy it - gay furries - so that he could both keep the audience he has (precious lickspittles, how he loves them so) and proclaim that the failure of the comic (if it is indeed a failure) means he'll never go back to drawing gay stuff (thus ensuring his status as openly closeted for years to come).

I'm used to Naylor doing bland folios by now, but this is bland and uninspired on a whole new level. It's like Naylor intentionally tried to be bland and uninspired, and for that, he can go fuck himself. He's a better artist than this (yeah, you heard me), and I think even he knows it deep down.

Honestly, as usual, the biggest problem is Naylor's chaotic broken mirror paneling. He could make a scene with exactly one character, all alone, masturbating, and make even that look like a chaotic butterbean contest of unidentifiable body parts with this style. When you have an actual threesome going on, it's like the "oh my God the cameraman is being chased by a bear" every-six-picosecond jump cuts you see in shitty action movie fight scenes. That is not the correct style to apply to porn to make it hot to the viewer!

I'm seeing a lot of comments here to the effect of "well at least Naylor is drawing gay sex again." I almost have to just take your word for it that that's what I'm seeing here.

>>11679
Naylor lied. The context doesn't help at all.

I'm definitely in agreement with what others have said about being tired of Jay show gay (or even bi) men as essentially being slender little girly girls who happen to have dicks. There's nothing wrong with that and I'm sure there are some out there, but not all and not, I think, the majority are. I know they're a kink for some people (nothing wrong with that either) so putting them in a porn comic makes sense as far as appealing to that market goes, but it seems like he thinks this is THE reality of gay men. I can't fully back this assumption up since there are male characters of nonspecified sexualities who could be gay or bi, but Flounce and Mikey seem to be the only open ones and they're...yeah. I know I just said there's nothing wrong with a kink but the fetishization of this type does creep me out when they don't just look fem, they look like CHILDREN. And these two do here. This seems more like a grown woman molesting two underage kids than anything else if the context/words are taken out.

That said, I actually do find Persia's reaction believiable, or at least not totally crazy, because I personally know a girl who would react like that. She's a huge yaoi fetishist who has said that she doesn't mind if her bf cheats on her with a boy (but not a girl, no, never, kill kill die die!) because that's cute! Way to be demeaning. And according to her, manly men are gross, manly GAY men are anomalies (if they exist at all), and "boys should look like girls". Yes, that's right, everyone*should* look a certain way because that's what your standard of attractiveness is. This comic pretty much reminded me way too much of her and her obsession with bishi buttsex, and I didn't even look at the actual fucking bits, and so if the hideous gay stereotypes and creepy child-men weren't enough to make me dislike it, then that is. Though I guess she would have taken the woman out.

1st Page: Dude, in the second last panel, WHAT IS WITH FLOUNCE'S closed eye? Eyes just... Don't. Work. That. Way
2nd page: ... You're in AMERICA Flounce, not some country where people live on some kind of honour system.
3rd page: Expressions! WOW! Not too bad this page, barring the fact that the door should be hanging off its hinges as indicated by page 2. But then again, Persia obviously trusts Flounce to have visitors. ---Where's the kid right about now huh?
4th page: HYPOCRISY!!!!!!! HOORAY!
And Persia's arm goes where?
5th page: Mikey has a sandddddddddddworm. Oh and Persia's anatomy just doesn't make sense, she has sagggggy boobs.
6th page: ? This page just seems misplaced. It's not directly connected to anything, Mikey just appears to teleport from place to place and Mikey looks like a rubber doll.
7th page: Persia's been completely sideboarded here... As you can see Naylor still likes drawing vaginas for no reason.
8th page: Persia Teleports to the other side of Mikey. ... Not too bad as a sex scene here though.
9th page: Flounce's sandworm keeps growing and shrinking. Mikey has an erection that doesn't make sense, foreskin?
10: Mikey just shrunk about a foot. Flounce's head inflated. And Persia must still be on drugs.
Think about this: Persia doesn't work. Mikey works from home. Where's the kid? He doesn't look old enough to be wondering around by himself, nor does he look old enough for school or anything.

So late me get this straight (i didn't mean it as a joke). Mikey just decided to come over after 10 or so years (base on the kid's age). And decide to have sex with him. And his wife just decided to say "whatever I'm horny." The only reason Persia is dominant is because to him girls are more manly then gays. Being a gays man i hate this comic.

>>12044
Yeah, I just can't put my finger on it... :P

>>12097

>I know I just said there's nothing wrong with a kink but the fetishization of this type does creep me out when they don't just look fem, they look like CHILDREN. And these two do here. This seems more like a grown woman molesting two underage kids than anything else if the context/words are taken out.

Considering that Naylor did a folio last year where a woman fucked a couple of high school students, and he's already drawn Abby naked (and as a busty nurse) in Original Life, this starts to get a little disconcerting.

Seriously. One incident is like 'oh, well that was kinda questionable' but when it's all in combination/repeated it's like 'why don't you have a seat over there' D=

>>12085

You mean like how several of the artists at Club Stripes draw gay porn - ultra masculine or oultra feminine?

Welcome to "That's how everyone else does it 101".

>>12101

Um. High school students doesn't really suggest anything.

Type "Schoolgirl porn" or "Cheerleader porn" into any search engine.

Sexualizing high school students is pretty goddamn common and isn't indicative of anything wrong with a person. Jesus Christ.

If you're going to make inferences about being into pedo stuff, at least try and make an apt comparison. Like Huckleberry Ann, who looks twelve. Or how Fisk nailed Nikki at such at what, 10?

That is true as well. For me personally, I find sexualitzation of IRL high school age kids by adults to be very disturbing, but within porn it's kind of different becase, well, porno-teens usually don't look like kids, they look like adults in costumes. I mean, I got a crush on Sailor Jupiter as a kid, and I still think that as far as cartoons go she's really hot...but she's fourteen. And yet she looks fully developed, so I'm in no way as skeeved by myself as I would be if she actually looked like most 14 year olds I knew in middle school. But then there's Mikey and Flounce, who are supposedly grown men but...well, like I said, they look like kids. And that makes me kinda squicked.

Of course, what qualifies as 'looking like a child' is very subjective, as to some it might just be someone petite or less developed but I do think there's a line. I don't think I can argue where it is very effectively though; again, it's quite a subjective thing.

>>12106

Way to repeat what I said.

Okay, am I the only one who thinks there's a page missing between pages 4 and 5? We go from Persia getting a bit nekkid to full on fucking, no preamble. Sure, that's porn-movie quality pacing there, but come on! Have her at least play with her men, establish some roles first.

>>12097
He did the white-cat-woman-molesting-kids thing in the Breeding Bobby folio. Ironically, this is Persia following in her mother's footsteps!

....I did not even think of that and now I wonder if Naylor did.

is mikey wearing a headband

goddammit

It's kind of a step forward...(or rather backward) for naylor. At least he delivered on the buttsex. Now if only he will have two (or more?) guys without any women in the picture.

Page 01: The only thing that really irritates me about this page is the insinuation that homosexuality or bisexuality can't be considered "stable" and should be something to move on from. Even if these aren't Naylor's up-front views, they sure seem prominent in his mentionings of homosexuality.
Page 02: Urrhurr. Another attempt at humor failed. Used to it by now.
Page 03: It bothered me that Flounce kept referring to Persia as "woman", but then it occurred to me that they might not be married. And calling her his girlfriend when they have a child might be a little ...odd...? But... still... woman? wtf? Besides, the rest of the dialog is horrible enough even without that.
Page 04: More awful dialog. I know this is porn, but it's so one-dimensional
that it's hard to enjoy. It's confusing.
Page 05: Balls aren't touching. Granted there are two men this time, it's pretty much same old same old. You've seen one Naylor pornfolio, you've seen them all.
Page 06: Same old same old again. Horrible hands, but they seem to change in size in every panel this time too! Fun. Also, I can't tell why Mikey is horrified. Maybe if there were some decent dialog- oh wait...
Page 07: So Persia is okay with her husband fucking Mikey in the ass, cool, I guess. But this page just screams "I'M NOT GAY I SWEAR." to me. There's more Persia in this page than Mikey, despite the fact that he's the one being FUCKED IN THE ASS.
Page 08: Kind of like this page. There's actually some cunninglingus going on.
Page 09: Not bad, I guess. Though the first page to mostly focus on the gay-fucking, despite this being a bit of fan service for the fags.
Page 10: Same old same old exagerated Naylor cum shot. NO INTERNAL CUM SHOT FROM FLOUNCE THO? OMGNAYLORWHATHAPPENED. And then of course the last page is completely fucking awfully drawn. Confusing and as un-humorous as ever. So I guess Mikey is bisexual...?

I don't know.
Naylor scale (1-10): About a 5.
Normal scale (1-10): About a 2.5.

It's pretty bad, really. Everything is so incredibly boring in his pronfolios, because the same thing is done over and over again. I was hoping that because this folio had some homosexuality in it, that there might be a bit of excitement or story line. But it's actually even more bland than most of his others.
His art gets worse and worse, his anatomy is just fucking ridiculously horrid, and body parts change sizes constantly.
The only thing that IS consistent is Naylor's expressions and poses. Naylor only draws heads three or four ways. Straight on, slightly tilted, cocked head, or profile. His expressions are no more varied. It gets really old really fast in his pornfolios.

If you are going to sell porn like this, you MUST improve your work, you MUST have some sort of redeeming story line, you MUST experiment with different, interesting ideas. I'm not saying this because I'm a customer of his, I'm saying this because if he doesn't clean up his act, his fan base is going to run out sooner or later and he's going to be shit out of luck.

>>12065

The main issue is this has some great potential to be ultra-awesome, but the idea of a married guy with a kid and his wife (who is okay with him almost cheating on her??) go ahead and randomly have sex. Such little backstory it's boring.. nothing you know but - hey old lover I haven't seen in forever, let's fuck, oh also I like pussy too (despite being gay). Again, a woman getting oral and some dominance IS really nice and different for Naylor standpoints.. but it's just.. D:.

Also why does Flounce look so different in the first page then.. by the end?
I mean..really?

>>12121

Also I should note, Persia isn't an awful character compared to others. Sure ex-pornstar and drug-addict, but all things aside she is at least more entertaining then say, Elizabeth. It's almost as if Naylor decided to put a nerdy teenaged girl (she plays video games, seems to enjoy the idea of 'yaoi-ish pretty boys' in the way she reacted..) in a pornstars body.. which is odd. As for Flounce, I am not so sure-- it seems his personality has been sucked out and decompressed into blandness.

>>12122

Elizabeth could be an interesting character if Naylor just fully embraced her as a neglectful mother who regrets ever allowing the spawn of Fisk to pass out of her and forever damage her figure.

On top of that, she shares her resentment with everyone else around her through passive aggressive behavior or outright apathy, but lacks the will to throw Fisk out either out of a deep rooted sense of guilt or because she'd be afraid of telling her mother that she was right about the godless mercenary.


Oh wait... Fisk IS Naylor...So yeah he could never do something like that.

>>12039
I think I'm done with his pornfolios as this new year takes off. It was all over the place. The writing is shit. And I can't get over the horrible artwork. Eyes are too huge. Flounce looks even more different from "Girly". I think this one is a fail. And there is no turning back, Naylor is past the point of returning to his former art style and will forever stick with this new stubby finger, badly drawn, anime eye crap.

>>12067
no "oh balls"?

>>12040
Does ANYONE even have a 'sandworm cock'?
Can they post a pic of a real-life one?
I DOUBT THEY EXIST.

DAT ASS

>>12136

My favorite was when he put a dunecock on a Catholic priest. I just laughed at the absurdity.

>>12097

>That said, I actually do find Persia's reaction believiable, or at least not totally crazy, because I personally know a girl who would react like that. She's a huge yaoi fetishist who has said that she doesn't mind if her bf cheats on her with a boy (but not a girl, no, never, kill kill die die!) because that's cute!

I understand where you're coming from, but how old is your friend? And how old is Persia supposed to be in this comic- late thirties, or something? People's hormones tend to level out when they get past the young adult stage and the get a sense of responsibility- a thirty-something year old woman would not be cooing about how her husband and his ex in a compromising position is cute. She would be pissed.

>>12137

ZOMBIE CANCER!

>>12136

It is possible, though it really varies. Some guys it's only slight, others its 'wtf'. Regardless dicks look the same when aroused for the most part.. (whats with all the foreskin discussions around here...?) circumcision is mostly aesthetic so the dick looks like it always does when erect even though there was applicable reasons (protection) for foreskin to be there.
Though really a meager inch of dickskin isn't something mysterious.Also deja vu .. but huge discussions over said dickskin have been kind of worn and tired here..

IMO Naylor is more weird by his own philosophies,antics and *endearing* methods of which he interacts with others rather then the whole foreskin thing.

This shit is a mess. It just jumps around, I saw it on /b/ and honestly thought some dumbass had posted every other page. Nope, turns out that's all there is, I'm just supposed to fill in all those blanks. The comic just makes no sense.

>>I understand where you're coming from, but how old is your friend?

Early twenties. And I sure as hell hope to god she doesn't react like that when she's Persia's age DX

>>12136

http://www.newforeskin.biz/CI/CIchart.htm (NSFW)

>>12144
>whats with all the foreskin discussions around here...?
Because this board is about Naylor, and Naylor + foreskin = OTP.

>>12149
Considering the site you're posting on, was an NSFW warning really necessary?

Anyway, that page amused me, mostly because the sentence, "If you are interested in foreskin restoration and issues relating to foreskins click either of the links below," made me picture Fisk reading that with a :D face.

Does Naylor even have a foreskin? Perhaps because he lacks one, it's foreskin envy?

>>12152

This has been covered, with some horror involving his habits of trying to "get back" his foreskin, in other threads.

>>12153
Aye, not since I first learned what "scat" was has something so scarred my brain...

>>12152
>>12153
>>12154

yup - its been confirmed by his Ex that he has some sick obsession with regaining his foreskin (he's circumsized) and does some rather questionable things with the devices he uses to stretch out said skin

>>12156
Almost feel sorry for the guy. You have to admit, if you were missing some kind of ... 'bit' and you had no choice in the matter, I dunno. I can sympathize.
But still doesn't excuse for his Objectivist behaviour and views on women.

>>12163

Amen.

>>12163

...I guess. I've never wondered about my circumcision. It is what it is. I just can't imagine actually caring about it. It's not like your bits don't work or something...

>>12156
>>12163

The whole foreskin restoration movement is about 80% crazy and 20% sound--having that part removed if you don't really have a choice in the matter is a bit unfair, and the whole basic premise that gradual tension over years' worth of time makes more grow does work, but any claim beyond appearance ("it totally restores lost sensitivity :D") is bullshit and most of the community (and by that I mean most people who are enthusiastic enough about it to have a freaking community about it) are insane.

It at least has the potential for good, if you go in knowing and accepting from the start that it's just for aesthetics (some people like sandworms) and try your best not to spout crazy shit while you're at it. The real tragedy here is that it's yet another thing Naylor has managed to ruin by association, especially since he's managed to become synonymous with Dunecocks around here. (And e621, and everywhere.)

>>12172
Apologies Mr. Awesome, I'm just going to assume you're heterosexual, if you're not, well, my point isn't as pointy as it was;
Naylor sees other cocks, "OH SHIT I'M MISSING SOMETHING."
*MUST BE MOTHER'S FAULT - THEREFORE ALL WOMEN.*
*RAAAAAAAAGE*
Naylor doesn't sound Jewish does it? Is it? I wouldn't have a clue, but if you're Naylor and you're around cock a LOT, then I suppose he doesn't like being different? Hence creating this world of his.

>>12127

>Hogans

Since when do gay men eat pussy?

>>12226
Um, magically turned bi?

A gay friend of mine once told me that no matter how straight or gay someone was there was always that one instance where they would switch teams.

Although I'm sure that isn't the case here, for me it was Hatsuharu Sohma from Fruit Baskets. Sad, but I would go gay for him.

As for why two gay men would go for a threesome with a girl with no complains? Ah, the wonders of porn and completely ignoring plot.

As an afterthought >>12070 those bottom panel eyes... they haunt me. ;.;

>>12226
I'm sorry, but before your question can be received, you must first go to FA and leave a comment asking, "Since when do straight men suck or take cocks up the ass?" on any submission to which it applies.

Does Naylor have a couple who aren't sexually confused, promiscuous, ambiguous, bisexual or whatever, just a NORMAL pairing?

Then again I question if there are any "Straight" girls as opposed to bi girls left in the world, doesn't seem like it

I know the rule on other nony boards is tits or gtfo, but if it makes you feel better girls make me squiggy. I don't think I could be a bigirl.

And to answer your other question, no. Jay has no normal couples. His straitest pairing (fisk and lizzy) got together while she was married so that blows them out of the water.

>>12226
Ever since Naylor was straight. Hurr durr.

>>12234
except his concept of cheating isn't the same as normal people. From what he said it seems that was long as you don't love the person your with you can have sex with anyone you want.

>>12233
Most 'bi' girls are just attention whores that wnat a man more.
Most bi men are seriously bisexual. Apart from some who just don't want to have the shit ripped out of them for being gay.

>>12243
not cool. I'm a girl who's bi and I'm not an "attention whore"; i do prefer men, but the only person i was ever hardcore in love with was a girl.

>>12244
They said "Most"

>>12232 Hey I've got gay friends. The fact licking a vagina grosses them out more than licking some guys asshole, I think it was a legit question. Especially since this character looks like he's the Human Torch level gay fem boi.

Live with a gay man, here.... The are scared of the vagina. At least all the ones I've met are. (They all love boobs though)

>>12276
b0oO0ooo00oOOobS!

Being the son of a gay man, i can say not all gay men are afraid of the Vagina...

>>12302

I suppose a certain percentage is scared terribad by the idea of 'meat-curtains, but maybe if you heard lesbians complain about how gross dicks were more often it would be the same thing.

Though I am sure there are lesbians (and some straight women) who think the idea of sucking a penis is totally gross.

>>12302

Everybody's entitled to one mistake.

>>12318

And they're completely wrong :O

>>12069

Goddamn it. I actually like this 'Penis high-five' shot. Does this make me a bad person?

>>12637

It makes you a terrible person.

>>12318

i've hooked up with girls who didn't like to give oral - heck i've even met a few who for whatever reason didn't want to receive either. god damn

>>12657

Some people just don't like some things. Fact of life.

>>12657

I knew this girl who loved to give oral but would actually be insulted if you wanted to return the favor.

>>12672

I can understand not liking it, but why did she feel insulted?

I can't figure out what's going on in almost any page of this thing.

Does Flounce look just like Elizabeth to anyone else?

>>12318
>>I suppose a certain percentage is scared terribad by the idea of 'meat-curtains, but maybe if you heard lesbians complain about how gross dicks were more often it would be the same thing.

I'm heterosexual and sometimes the Meat curtains scare me.

Genitals aren't really meant to be aesthetically pleasing. They're messy, funny looking, sometimes make funny noises, and easily get very gross.

>>12687
Whoah, I beg to differ. Hygiene and active use can easily cure most of those problems.

Off-putting vaginas can be on sexy bodies; aesthetically-pleasing vaginas can be on less-than-sexy bodies.

I'm sure it's the same with trouser snakes. No cocks really do it for me. I like mine, but that's because we've been friends since small times (ha!).

So I'm with Hugh: genitals weren't made with centerfolds in mind. Give natural selection another 100,000 years and...well, we probably still won't be born with tidy tufts of hair around our indiscernibles, perfectly proportioned vulvas, and torpedo-precise penises (penii; peniserrata).

That's why we have hormones and personalities. The easy joke is alcohol, but I find that alcohol makes me more tolerant, not more aesthetically-pleased.

Only the "gross" part gets taken care of by activity and hygiene, but even then, simply sweat can cause funny smells.

But they get messy easily (sex), look funny (period), and make funny noises (again, during sex).

Both dicks and vaginas just aren't visually appealing to me.

Just saying that, by the time you're exposed to someone's genitals, you're probably about to fuck, so how pretty those genitals are really doesn't matter. Unless you have some SERIOUS hygiene problems, I highly doubt 99% of people will pull out because it looks unaesthetically sexy.

In fact, unless oral sex occurs, I'm willing to bet genitals are rarely looked at, at least the first time folks have sex.

So their attractiveness isn't really necessary.

>Both dicks and vaginas just aren't visually appealing to me.
>just aren't visually appealing to me.
>visually appealing to me.
>to me.
Keep that in mind and don't try to speak for everyone, OK? Humanity is far too eclectic for that, especially with regards to anything related to sex.

>>12707

I don't think it's simply a matter of taste.

I genuinely believe that they were not intended, eveolutionally speaking, to be aesthetically attractive. Humans are predisposed to be excited by the sight of breasts or hips - those are mate attracting features, therefore they are attractive. Other things like a face emphasizes symmetry (a symmetrical body = healthy, therefore attractive).

There's no reason for genitals to be attractive.

So I believe being attracted to the sight is the exception, not the norm.

It may just be the fact that I missed the Naylor-hate train (although Randianism does deserve a certain amount of automatic contempt), but this was actually pretty hot.

>>12708

Eh I don't know, humans have the largest penises of all primates and lack a penis-bone so thus arousal *must* be present for copulation. So you can't exactly say that, personality is a huge factor in attraction though.