in b4 Fisk x Red pornfolio.

Apparently SEEKRET AGENT HEADQUARTERS is housed by college kids.

You know what I don't understand, if Fisk took the same job his father did then why can he see his family while his father couldn't? Wasn't it because he feared that they would be targeted for by some other super secret agency? Then agan this is Fisk and he can do anything without any negative effects

Well, this really proves what we've been saying, that the more a character appears, the worse they seem. This is probably the most extreme case yet.

Red finally, at long last, makes her first appearance in the comic. This very first appearance takes her from generic, un-personalitied but possibly okay otter chick to a pathetic homewrecker slut longing for Fisk's cock. In her first appearance.

>>12620

Er... Fisk's father couldn't see his family because he was DEAD.

I love how Miss Home-wrecker Otter KNOWS that Fisk is married and just doesn't give a shit.

Why do all of Naylor's characters have to be ass holes...

>>12621

What were you expecting?

A silent emotionless killer that wore black and only sought to complete the objective like Luger from Killzone?

A fiesty leader yet excellent soldier like Meryl from Metal Gear Solid?

Or just a slut that longs for Fisk's cock with zero personality or just the bitchy one?

Seriously, which one of these were you expecting?

>>12622

I know that he died but...nevermind, I'll just go back and read more of it cause I'll admit I skimmed through most of Better Days.

>>12624

I wasn't expecting anything. I must admit, I thought that Naylor was going to focus more on himself as the Wise Father Figure and only mention his Badass American Warrior aspect in passing. I figured Red had been safely relegated to his sketchpad and him RPing as her to get stuffed full of cock.

She's also pretty persistent too. ELEVEN YEARS?!

I don't know which is most unbelievable. The idea that someone would pursue FISK for that long or the idea that Fisk could remain loyal to one person for that long.

>>12623

Why WOULDN'T she? In the Naylorverse, cheating has no reprecussions. It's not a bad thing, in fact it's clearly POSITIVE.

In fact I think the only reason people in the Naylorverse get married is so they CAN cheat.

>>12617
when I first looked at this page, especially the third panel, I thought this was a flashback and they were in some kind of high school radio club.

I point out the third panel because it looked like fisk had regressed to his late teens.

also, lol another dropped arc.

>>12631

I honestly want him to continue this. It's the first interesting thing to happen in like.......ever. I've dropped off a lot from this board because Original Life is so immensely boring.

>>12621

>>pathetic homewrecker slut longing for Fisk's cock

You just described every one of Naylor's female characters, Sechs.

All women want Fisk, even if they know he's married and has kids.

Oh, Naylor, Naylor, fuck you.

:|

so stupid

Red sucks

this comic sucks

the end

I'm starting to think that it would take major trauma like a car accident to make Naylor a better writer. a la, Stephen King.

...scratch that, maybe a major train collision would do the trick? Anyway, I have lost a little respect for Red for letting herself be in OL. Or at least letting herself be portrayed like that.

Fisk is a furry James Bond.

God damnit this comic blows.

Not only does their super seekret headquarters look like the damned trade college in my city, the staff looks like the students! I honestly thought this was taking place at Janie's school for the first few panels before reading the dialogue.

>>12622

I guess he could have seen them as a bulge in her stomach

>>12617
oh, and what's with the potty mouth in the last panel, Jay? Wasn't this supposed to be more family friendly comic?

>>12640

Except James Bond is awesome, where as Fisk is just annoying.

... Good to see Jay recycles backgrounds...

>>12622
... actually, you're kinda half wrong there, (sorry, don't B& me yet) because apparently James was unable to see Sheila because he was going to put her in some kind of danger.
... But we all know he was doing Red's Mom in the background anyway. (wait, what background, oh yeah, THERE IS NONE.)

Uh, why does the receptionist look like more of a mouse than Liz?

So yeah. Apparently the correct way to proceed after taking down a major player in drug trade/organ stealing/terrorism/some poorly defined generic big crime is to act like a fucking retard and go "SPRIIING BREEAAAK FUCK YEAH BEEER!"

Also, considering they're actually terrorists themselves, and not some secret police cell, and in real life they would have already been busted a million times over, it might not be the best idea to announce "DURPA HUR WE KILLED TEH TERORIST NOW WE DRINK" in your secret headquarters (that is a fucking office building).

Naylor apparently thinks that even if the fucking secret organization specializes in high profile assassinations of horrible criminals that the law cannot touch, the work athmosphere will be about the same as in a goddamn normal office.
I mean, shit, they could just as well be discussing about how they just finished a big business negotiation about cheaper staplers for their office, and not about the fact they just shot a terrorist leader in the fucking face with a fucking sniper rifle and are wanted dead by both organized crime and the police.

"WOOT I JUST SHOT A MAN LET'S GET BOOZED UP!"

>>12648

You cannot notice the difference.

... 2nd Panel. Fisk's 'fingers' ... What the shit.

Is he going for some sort of dramatic tension here? This is the Naylorverse. Red'll probably bust through Fisk's door, try to kiss him, then Elizabeth will show up, scold them with a smile, and they'll all fuck. Gloriously. Also, someone will tongue Fisk's ass and he'll shoot a gallon of cum while going "ER-FUCK."

Then again, I think Naylor will have Fisk stand up for fidelity. Just to throw us for a loop. Red will probably fuck Fisk's son at some point, to make him a man.

Or we'll get an image on his FA of Naylor on a throne with pregnant Liz and Red clutching his legs.

>>12638

Is this somebody elses character?

>>12638

Red *IS* Naylor

>>12653

what? how?

>>12649

damn... you really cant. casual business super sekrit agents ಠ_ಠ

>>12649

I think you just made it exponentially better.

>>12658

Exponentially less retarded, at least.

>>12658

at least a lot more down to earth and realistic

oh naylor and your flights of fancy

Ah Fisk...

You'll always be Naylors second rate Bond re-colour.

Back when Red was just a cute otter girl that posed in Naylor's sketches, I actually rather liked her. But then came the "customary Fisk balling" sketch, and now this.

Now? Not so much.

DAMMIT NAYLOR STOP RUINING THE FEW THINGS YOU DO WELL. (Seriously, it's getting to the point that even the asses he draws are hit-and-miss, and they used to be the one thing he could draw reliably well.)

>Also, someone will tongue Fisk's ass and he'll shoot a gallon of cum while going "ER-FUCK."

I laughed at this. Probably because it would happen, dialogue and all.

I've never seen this "Red" before, just who the hell is she?

Also she's a lot better looking than Elizabeth, but what kind of a dumb cunt seriously lusts after a married man for eleven years. Get over it, bitch.

>what kind of a dumb cunt seriously lusts after a married man for eleven years.

The one's that Naylor writes. That's pretty obvious.

>>12644

Yeah, that's why he advertises his current porn comic right beside the comic on the front page. I don't know about anyone else but I see that ad right beside a comic about kids and I think...creepy.

And when the fuck is Naylor going to finish the storyline about the love letter and Charlie? Can he not concentrate on one storyline for more than two comics before doing something else?

I believe the original James Bond was a middle-aged one-eyed asshole who hated women and compulsively drank. Needless to say they changed his image for the movies...Well, maybe except for the drinking part.

Anyway, once again we jump around aimlessly in the story? Is the Bonk cock worshiping hour over? Did I miss something?

But hey, once more I'll give more credit to Naylor than he deserves by predicting he creates some sort of drama with the bitch mother Elizabeth who picks a fight with Fisk over not spending enough time with his family and in his rage, he bangs Red in the only way she could possibly enjoy...hardcore anal..and goes off to kill some terrorists.

Didn't Fisk tell Elizabeth before they got together that he DID have other lovers and that they all understood he WOULD sleep around?

Or is he just not banging her because it has to be HIS decision to make it right?

>>12671
Oh shit! Red is Moneypenny!

>>12671
Having read the orignal Ian Fleming books, all I can say to that is... uh, no.

He had a thing for MARRIED women (at least at first), but always very much a thing for women. Respect was an issue at times, sure. As for disfigurement, there was a prominant scar on one cheek, but that's it.

Fleming's Bond was a misogynistic dick so, yeah..

>>12617

That first panel looks oddly familiar...gee where have I seen that before? *sarcasm*

*sigh* He's lazy...it's been established before...

As a sort of aside, why is it that whenever Naylor posts to his LJ or FA, doing a TL;DR thing about whatever turns his crank, I picture Nathan Explosion doing that apology speech to Finland?

>>12682

I don't get your joke, must be a Canadian thing.

>>12677

As an aside, are they a good read?

"> someone will tongue Fisk's ass and he'll shoot a gallon of cum while going "ER-FUCK.""

How's this?
How's this?

>>12689

Oh Naylor, when you used to care...

My two cents, for what they're worth, are that traditional story arcs are dull. Real life isn't wrapped up in 6 issues, stuff happens, then causes something else maybe 6 months down the line and then it's all you think about. Naylor's "swapping between stories" technique draws a lot of criticism, but maybe he's toying with different storytelling tropes. That said, I could do without the constant Marty Stu that is Fisk. Does anyone in the comic NOT want to bone him?

>>12648

To be fair, he could be in black ops for the govt, and the "office" building could be C2 for the mission. Or they could be flying Predators. Do you think the pilots for the drones don't have *high five whoooo* attitudes when they take down a HVT? :p

Wow, I know it's easy to hate on Naylor's current art (not just in my present e-locale), but even though rimming et incest don't clank my ratchet, that art has a bit more depth to it. There are things that Naylor does better these days, but there was a point where his faces and fur were much better defined.

And regarding story arcs: I hear ya, it's one of the limitations of comics on the web that are posted page by page. I find myself checking out of A+ stuff like "Dr. McNinja" or B- stuff like "Lovecraft Is Missing" for a loooong time, because I can always catch up later.

Naylor's problem is that threads feel unfinished without a payoff per installment. This is what kills Chris Onstad's looooong arcs in "Achewood." Without some semblance of a gag, it's a pain to follow a long story without just returning even couple weeks to see what's up (or in Onstad's case, even two months given his posting frequency of late).

The connected arc thing worked for "Better Days" because it was easy to jump back into things. In "Original Life," switching between one-page gags and parts of an arc just gets tedious for this reader (perhaps not all).

So, I'll stick with "Maakies."

>>12685

You'd have to watch Metalocalypse in order to appreciate it.

Oh, and >:( for the Canadian thing.

>>12696
Yes, life's issues isn't wrapped up in 6 issues.

And if you'll notice, many thing sthat happen in real life don't happen in any sort of media, because it's TEDIOUS AND BORING.

In 99% of movies/tv/comics/etc, no one uses filler like "Um" "Like" "you know", they don't ramble, they don't repeat themselves or repeat anecdotes (like telling the same joke to everyone you meet at the party) unless that's very specific to that character or getting across something specific (He's shy! He's retarded! He has bad verbal skills!). This stuff would make dialog extra tedious.

Instead what you get is dialog that's concise, that's not choppy, that works. Because it's meant to entertain, not simulate realism.

Again, people never go to the bathroom unless 1) Something is supposed to happen in the bathroom or 2) It's some weird kinky shit. Because that's not relevant to the plot, and it can be easily handwaved.

When you use any sort of media to tell any sort of story, you have to take certain conventions, short cuts, and assumptions into account to be concise and use the time you have. Very few things that happen in any media are random, and have no plot relevance whatsoever, and won't get referenced again, for instance, but that's a big part of daily life. Wasting the Audience's time is a Sin.

Of course, Naylor is FAILING to do this. He is making it a big, long boring SLOG that has no continuity. It's a stream of consciousness. That's BAD for a web comic that only is out twice a week.

>>12703

Precisely. Never confuse your audience with random shit and if you're making a point, finish it. Don't bring up a topic in the story and then go "HEY LOOK OVER HERE!"

>>12617

So having a happy life with a family isn't enough for Fisk he also has to have a woman pining for him for ELEVEN YEARS? His entire marriage? Why does Red have to be so desperate for his attention if she is some sexy undercover spy/solider/whattheshit -? Or further, if Fisk was working with her *all* that time for years on his super-spy job why did he marry Elizabeth instead of Red? The pussy was more obtainable and wasn't covered in tape like Elizabeth's marriage.

>>12705

perhaps its connected to some randian "i do it for the lulz" kind of deal - fisk gets some at home, he's happy with that, and at work he can be swarmed by hot ladies too, he's happy with that (backup sex incase wife gets boring?)

i'm not trying to justify any of it - but if naylor is still selling fisk as a randian penis-god, who only does what makes him feel good, then the above scenario isn't that far off.

From Naylor's Sketchblog:

>back when she had something going on with Fisk, before his marriage.

So wait. She banged Fisk all ready, and yet she's still pursuing after 11 years of "Sorry bitch, bai"?

It's amazing isn't it? Fisk isn't even the main character in this fragging comic and Naylor STILL manages to make him a Marty Stu.

>12721

I wouldn't say that yet. Naylor still has time to change the comic into "Better days 2: The adventures of randian mangod"

>>12722

>>Better days 2: The adventures of randian mangod

i think you mean Better days 2: The adventures of mini Fisk randian mangod Jr. (I still can't remember his damn name)

>>12722

>>Better days 2: The adventures of randian mangod

i think you mean Better days 2: The adventures of mini Fisk randian mangod Jr. (I still can't remember his damn name)

>>12655

Red is Naylor's female character from mucks, etc... Probably used when he was craving some dicking in his RPs but didn't want to look all gay about it!

>>12663
>>12667

See above. Red was bound to go to shit because she's another facet of Naylor's personality. Amazing because it's so incredibly hard to screw up otters cause they're hot, but again I refer to previous statements I've made about Naylor being King Midas in reverse. Everything he touches turns to shit.

Hey, lurker here.
...
The receptionists face in the last pane...Ugh. :|

>>12739

She's reading Wicked Affairs. :)

I cannot begin to list all the things that are wrong with this comic...

First, if Red knew Fisk before he got married, why didn't she get introduced in Better Days?

Second, WTF is happening to the mouse's mouth in the middle panel?!

And I don't understand the punchline he's trying to do at the end...

Seriously Naylor, what. the. FUCK?!

Does he write these things while he's drunk or something? Because this shit makes no sense what so ever and I thought Stephen Meyer was a horrible writer

>>12752
Isn't the receptionist jewish for being a Mouse? Better yet, isn't FLOUNCE jewish? o_O wtf?

Also I am not sure.. she is angry because Red wants to be the mistress but the accusation that Fisk could ever be *weak* for a woman is absolutely ludicrous!

Also not so sure how an ex-teacher jewish woman whom hates her kids and has pretty much become barefoot and pregnant is more tempting then a super-agent-spy-solider-whatever woman (who I guess Naylor has us to presume is badass) Fisk has spent more time with *likely* in the past/present? I dunno, awesome man-god can't handle/have a woman as an equal?

>>12752

Her arm looks broken in that last panel.

Also, didn't Elizabeth renounce her faith earlier? Wouldn't be the first time Naylor fucked up his own continuity.

Oh lol, look here, another rip-off!
All species are of same religion/race, Art Spiegelmann anyone?

>>12756

Benefit of the doubt: He didn't tell his coworkers.

>>12759
Probable truth: Naylor sucks at continuity.

>>12760

Considering these past months of strips... Yeah he does.

Also, another thing.
Proportions Naylor. Stick with one. The mouse has three different head sizes in only strip!

This seem to be the correct correspond to the strip !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

>>12752

I think it's pretty obvious from this strip why he hasn't fucked her yet. She's trying to actually tempt him into having sex with her, instead of prostrating herself before the almighty randian mangod, putting him in the position of control.

Or maybe she has some kind of horrible defect that has yet to be revealed. Such as a personality of her own, or ambitions in life other than getting fucked by Fisk. I don't get the "Jewish talents" thing though. You'd think being used to all that circumcised dick they wouldn't be able to deal with the dunecock.

Remember back when OL started..

And the first couple of pages had backgrounds?

>>12752

I just love Red's longing gaze as he dreams of Fisk's mighty Randian godcock.

>>12763

Also she is forward with her sexuality and what she wants-- its the same thing with Rachel, the woman who seduces a man or tells a man she wants sex from him is just an evil std-ridden slut - where as its somehow less slutty to spy on friends having sex, cheat on boyfriends/girlfriends/wives/husbands,be a pornstar,have an incestuous relationship with your brother or sleep with a girl who has been sexually abused by her father (at a very young age).


But a woman just wanting sex because she outwardly likes a guy? That's wrong >:/.

This page made "Jewish Princess" by Frank Zappa get stuck in my head.

Also, jesus christ Naylor how hard is it to draw some fucking desks or something in the background? Or even some sort of divider that might look like the wall of a cubicle? That's like, three lines. It's not that hard.

Even though I knew the characters were supposed to be in an office, I read this page and got confused for a second as to where the hell they were supposed to be because there is absolutely no background. The only indicator of where they are is the office chair that Red is sitting in. And I guess there's a duffel bag and a table or something in the background of panel 2? I don't even know.

>>12756
Even if Elizabeth renounced the Jewish faith, she'd still be considered Jewish, in terms of race. There are plenty of people out there who are of various faiths, but are still considered Jewish.

>>12764

Backgrounds, you say?

Oh look, the first two panels are arbitrarily divided.

>>12752

First thought in my head: What a fucking slut.

>>12767

There are no backgrounds because they are in a super secret facility and backgrounds are classified.

Whoever said the receptionist looked more like a mouse is full of it; she looks like a cat from "Cats don't dance".

>>12766

No, I think you're wrong here. NAYLOR liked Rachel. He was completely confused WHY people didn't like her. I don't think Naylor ever intended her to be any sort of villain, until he saw the massive response she got (and drew the "pregnant with illegitimate babies" picture.

I am Jewish and it pisses me off how he turns it into some kind of fucking race issue. Yes, there's matrilineal tracing of "authentic" jewish blood, but we don't all fucking look alike.

I'm a blonde, green-eyed Jew and my grandfather was a rabbi. Jews come in every colour. It's so offensive to see us turned into mice, too. You know why Jews were drawn as mice in Maus? Because the Nazis said Jews were like vermin. It was supposed to be an ironic, sarcastic comment on the Nazis.

Naylor makes me so mad. >8T

I have catholic blood in me, therefore I would be a child molester in Naylors comics, apparently. Religion is a choice, I don't know why Naylor seems to think people can be defined into stereotypes by what their great grandparents were. He wants us to hate Jews, which is why they're always shown as smug and self righteous. Clever, Naylor, but not clever enough.

>>12775

Educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish#Distinction_between_Jews_as_a_people_and_Judaism

It's a racial thing as much as a religious one.

Were people this pissed off when Jews were all characterized by mice in Maus?

That's it, I've fucking had it. Enough is enough. I've read Better Days from almost the beginning and, despite some forced political nonsense and the occasional Naylor temper tantrum, I actually enjoyed it. I started to like Original Life to at the beginning, but this is getting ridiculous. Naylor, if your reading this, FINISH THE FUCKING STORY! A good writer doesn't screw with his readers by jumping around like this. This chapter started out with Janie getting a love letter from a emotionally frail young girl. Now it's about some slut trying to fuck your Mary Sue insert. How is this have anything to do with the former? Stick to the fucking story and finish it, then go on to the next! This right now is just a sloppy mess, nothing more. I don't usually rant like this here, but it's become difficult to look at this craphole of a comic without cringing. It's just become....bad.

>>12754
>>Does Naylor live his entire life while drunk?

Fix'd.

Also, isn't this a nice lovely family-friendly light-hearted strip, with all its sexual innuendo and discussion of infidelity?

>>12764

>>Remember back when OL started..

>>And the first couple of pages had backgrounds?

Remember back when BD started..

And the first couple chapters didn't suck?

Wait a sec-

>he stopped his thing with you when he got engaged

...Does this mean that he was seeing Red behind Elizabeth's back?

Yes. In Wicked Affairs he pretty much tells Liz that he's going to also be sleeping around on her, which is why that story was so stupid. It's okay if Fisk nails other women though, because unlike her ex he told her up front. But, anyways, he presumably realized that it was fucking stupid and decided to settle down when he was married so she wouldn't get fed up one day and leave his ass.

>>12766

Well I think its wrong because Fisk is married but when you add on all the other stuff Naylor probably hates about women...

I mean if this were any other comic with any other characters. I'd applaud Fisk for being faithful to his wife and everything but still this is Naylor we're talking about. He's probably doing just as you said. Calling women who are more forward with their sexuality total sluts.

But at the same time this doesn't explain Beth. A character Naylor seemed to really like above even Fisk at one point.

>>12772
Lol Sawyer's reaction to being compared to the mouse receptionist...

Blah do not compare that thing to Sawyer. Ever. Again!

There's also the possibility that he's not sleeping with her specifically because he could tell that she'd become attached, and he decided he'd get off more on manipulating her emotions and keeping her pining for him than he would just sticking it in her.

Changed it from a physical affair to an abusive emotional one, basically.

Relationships in the Naylorverse aren't based upon love, they're based on sex and physical attraction. When young Fisk crushes on that girl in school (who is admittedly much older than he is), she tells him that she'd rather lie back and "have her brains fucked out" by a jock football player than get involved in a messy, emotionally intimate relationship. Similarly, when Fisk and Elizabeth begin seeing each other, he tells her quite bluntly that he has other lovers and she shouldn't expect exclusivity from him; this is probably something that changed when they actually got married. Naylor has always placed Fisk in a position to fuck as many people as possible pretty much whenever he wants, and he's certainly not a stickler for monogamy (Sheila, remember, starts the affair with Sam, who is married, albeit unhappily). I suspect that staying faithful to Elizabeth has less to do with his attitudes toward sex in general and more with the fact that he probably promised her he'd stop seeing other people (and portraying Fisk as the fine, upstanding kind of guy who would kill at the drop of a hat, but would never lie to his wife).