in b4 Fisk x Red pornfolio.

Apparently SEEKRET AGENT HEADQUARTERS is housed by college kids.

You know what I don't understand, if Fisk took the same job his father did then why can he see his family while his father couldn't? Wasn't it because he feared that they would be targeted for by some other super secret agency? Then agan this is Fisk and he can do anything without any negative effects

Well, this really proves what we've been saying, that the more a character appears, the worse they seem. This is probably the most extreme case yet.

Red finally, at long last, makes her first appearance in the comic. This very first appearance takes her from generic, un-personalitied but possibly okay otter chick to a pathetic homewrecker slut longing for Fisk's cock. In her first appearance.

>>12620

Er... Fisk's father couldn't see his family because he was DEAD.

I love how Miss Home-wrecker Otter KNOWS that Fisk is married and just doesn't give a shit.

Why do all of Naylor's characters have to be ass holes...

>>12621

What were you expecting?

A silent emotionless killer that wore black and only sought to complete the objective like Luger from Killzone?

A fiesty leader yet excellent soldier like Meryl from Metal Gear Solid?

Or just a slut that longs for Fisk's cock with zero personality or just the bitchy one?

Seriously, which one of these were you expecting?

>>12622

I know that he died but...nevermind, I'll just go back and read more of it cause I'll admit I skimmed through most of Better Days.

>>12624

I wasn't expecting anything. I must admit, I thought that Naylor was going to focus more on himself as the Wise Father Figure and only mention his Badass American Warrior aspect in passing. I figured Red had been safely relegated to his sketchpad and him RPing as her to get stuffed full of cock.

She's also pretty persistent too. ELEVEN YEARS?!

I don't know which is most unbelievable. The idea that someone would pursue FISK for that long or the idea that Fisk could remain loyal to one person for that long.

>>12623

Why WOULDN'T she? In the Naylorverse, cheating has no reprecussions. It's not a bad thing, in fact it's clearly POSITIVE.

In fact I think the only reason people in the Naylorverse get married is so they CAN cheat.

>>12617
when I first looked at this page, especially the third panel, I thought this was a flashback and they were in some kind of high school radio club.

I point out the third panel because it looked like fisk had regressed to his late teens.

also, lol another dropped arc.

>>12631

I honestly want him to continue this. It's the first interesting thing to happen in like.......ever. I've dropped off a lot from this board because Original Life is so immensely boring.

>>12621

>>pathetic homewrecker slut longing for Fisk's cock

You just described every one of Naylor's female characters, Sechs.

All women want Fisk, even if they know he's married and has kids.

Oh, Naylor, Naylor, fuck you.

:|

so stupid

Red sucks

this comic sucks

the end

I'm starting to think that it would take major trauma like a car accident to make Naylor a better writer. a la, Stephen King.

...scratch that, maybe a major train collision would do the trick? Anyway, I have lost a little respect for Red for letting herself be in OL. Or at least letting herself be portrayed like that.

Fisk is a furry James Bond.

God damnit this comic blows.

Not only does their super seekret headquarters look like the damned trade college in my city, the staff looks like the students! I honestly thought this was taking place at Janie's school for the first few panels before reading the dialogue.

>>12622

I guess he could have seen them as a bulge in her stomach

>>12617
oh, and what's with the potty mouth in the last panel, Jay? Wasn't this supposed to be more family friendly comic?

>>12640

Except James Bond is awesome, where as Fisk is just annoying.

... Good to see Jay recycles backgrounds...

>>12622
... actually, you're kinda half wrong there, (sorry, don't B& me yet) because apparently James was unable to see Sheila because he was going to put her in some kind of danger.
... But we all know he was doing Red's Mom in the background anyway. (wait, what background, oh yeah, THERE IS NONE.)

Uh, why does the receptionist look like more of a mouse than Liz?

So yeah. Apparently the correct way to proceed after taking down a major player in drug trade/organ stealing/terrorism/some poorly defined generic big crime is to act like a fucking retard and go "SPRIIING BREEAAAK FUCK YEAH BEEER!"

Also, considering they're actually terrorists themselves, and not some secret police cell, and in real life they would have already been busted a million times over, it might not be the best idea to announce "DURPA HUR WE KILLED TEH TERORIST NOW WE DRINK" in your secret headquarters (that is a fucking office building).

Naylor apparently thinks that even if the fucking secret organization specializes in high profile assassinations of horrible criminals that the law cannot touch, the work athmosphere will be about the same as in a goddamn normal office.
I mean, shit, they could just as well be discussing about how they just finished a big business negotiation about cheaper staplers for their office, and not about the fact they just shot a terrorist leader in the fucking face with a fucking sniper rifle and are wanted dead by both organized crime and the police.

"WOOT I JUST SHOT A MAN LET'S GET BOOZED UP!"

>>12648

You cannot notice the difference.

... 2nd Panel. Fisk's 'fingers' ... What the shit.

Is he going for some sort of dramatic tension here? This is the Naylorverse. Red'll probably bust through Fisk's door, try to kiss him, then Elizabeth will show up, scold them with a smile, and they'll all fuck. Gloriously. Also, someone will tongue Fisk's ass and he'll shoot a gallon of cum while going "ER-FUCK."

Then again, I think Naylor will have Fisk stand up for fidelity. Just to throw us for a loop. Red will probably fuck Fisk's son at some point, to make him a man.

Or we'll get an image on his FA of Naylor on a throne with pregnant Liz and Red clutching his legs.

>>12638

Is this somebody elses character?

>>12638

Red *IS* Naylor

>>12653

what? how?

>>12649

damn... you really cant. casual business super sekrit agents ಠ_ಠ

>>12649

I think you just made it exponentially better.

>>12658

Exponentially less retarded, at least.

>>12658

at least a lot more down to earth and realistic

oh naylor and your flights of fancy

Ah Fisk...

You'll always be Naylors second rate Bond re-colour.

Back when Red was just a cute otter girl that posed in Naylor's sketches, I actually rather liked her. But then came the "customary Fisk balling" sketch, and now this.

Now? Not so much.

DAMMIT NAYLOR STOP RUINING THE FEW THINGS YOU DO WELL. (Seriously, it's getting to the point that even the asses he draws are hit-and-miss, and they used to be the one thing he could draw reliably well.)

>Also, someone will tongue Fisk's ass and he'll shoot a gallon of cum while going "ER-FUCK."

I laughed at this. Probably because it would happen, dialogue and all.

I've never seen this "Red" before, just who the hell is she?

Also she's a lot better looking than Elizabeth, but what kind of a dumb cunt seriously lusts after a married man for eleven years. Get over it, bitch.

>what kind of a dumb cunt seriously lusts after a married man for eleven years.

The one's that Naylor writes. That's pretty obvious.

>>12644

Yeah, that's why he advertises his current porn comic right beside the comic on the front page. I don't know about anyone else but I see that ad right beside a comic about kids and I think...creepy.

And when the fuck is Naylor going to finish the storyline about the love letter and Charlie? Can he not concentrate on one storyline for more than two comics before doing something else?

I believe the original James Bond was a middle-aged one-eyed asshole who hated women and compulsively drank. Needless to say they changed his image for the movies...Well, maybe except for the drinking part.

Anyway, once again we jump around aimlessly in the story? Is the Bonk cock worshiping hour over? Did I miss something?

But hey, once more I'll give more credit to Naylor than he deserves by predicting he creates some sort of drama with the bitch mother Elizabeth who picks a fight with Fisk over not spending enough time with his family and in his rage, he bangs Red in the only way she could possibly enjoy...hardcore anal..and goes off to kill some terrorists.

Didn't Fisk tell Elizabeth before they got together that he DID have other lovers and that they all understood he WOULD sleep around?

Or is he just not banging her because it has to be HIS decision to make it right?

>>12671
Oh shit! Red is Moneypenny!

>>12671
Having read the orignal Ian Fleming books, all I can say to that is... uh, no.

He had a thing for MARRIED women (at least at first), but always very much a thing for women. Respect was an issue at times, sure. As for disfigurement, there was a prominant scar on one cheek, but that's it.

Fleming's Bond was a misogynistic dick so, yeah..

>>12617

That first panel looks oddly familiar...gee where have I seen that before? *sarcasm*

*sigh* He's lazy...it's been established before...

As a sort of aside, why is it that whenever Naylor posts to his LJ or FA, doing a TL;DR thing about whatever turns his crank, I picture Nathan Explosion doing that apology speech to Finland?

>>12682

I don't get your joke, must be a Canadian thing.

>>12677

As an aside, are they a good read?

"> someone will tongue Fisk's ass and he'll shoot a gallon of cum while going "ER-FUCK.""

How's this?
How's this?

>>12689

Oh Naylor, when you used to care...

My two cents, for what they're worth, are that traditional story arcs are dull. Real life isn't wrapped up in 6 issues, stuff happens, then causes something else maybe 6 months down the line and then it's all you think about. Naylor's "swapping between stories" technique draws a lot of criticism, but maybe he's toying with different storytelling tropes. That said, I could do without the constant Marty Stu that is Fisk. Does anyone in the comic NOT want to bone him?

>>12648

To be fair, he could be in black ops for the govt, and the "office" building could be C2 for the mission. Or they could be flying Predators. Do you think the pilots for the drones don't have *high five whoooo* attitudes when they take down a HVT? :p

Wow, I know it's easy to hate on Naylor's current art (not just in my present e-locale), but even though rimming et incest don't clank my ratchet, that art has a bit more depth to it. There are things that Naylor does better these days, but there was a point where his faces and fur were much better defined.

And regarding story arcs: I hear ya, it's one of the limitations of comics on the web that are posted page by page. I find myself checking out of A+ stuff like "Dr. McNinja" or B- stuff like "Lovecraft Is Missing" for a loooong time, because I can always catch up later.

Naylor's problem is that threads feel unfinished without a payoff per installment. This is what kills Chris Onstad's looooong arcs in "Achewood." Without some semblance of a gag, it's a pain to follow a long story without just returning even couple weeks to see what's up (or in Onstad's case, even two months given his posting frequency of late).

The connected arc thing worked for "Better Days" because it was easy to jump back into things. In "Original Life," switching between one-page gags and parts of an arc just gets tedious for this reader (perhaps not all).

So, I'll stick with "Maakies."

>>12685

You'd have to watch Metalocalypse in order to appreciate it.

Oh, and >:( for the Canadian thing.

>>12696
Yes, life's issues isn't wrapped up in 6 issues.

And if you'll notice, many thing sthat happen in real life don't happen in any sort of media, because it's TEDIOUS AND BORING.

In 99% of movies/tv/comics/etc, no one uses filler like "Um" "Like" "you know", they don't ramble, they don't repeat themselves or repeat anecdotes (like telling the same joke to everyone you meet at the party) unless that's very specific to that character or getting across something specific (He's shy! He's retarded! He has bad verbal skills!). This stuff would make dialog extra tedious.

Instead what you get is dialog that's concise, that's not choppy, that works. Because it's meant to entertain, not simulate realism.

Again, people never go to the bathroom unless 1) Something is supposed to happen in the bathroom or 2) It's some weird kinky shit. Because that's not relevant to the plot, and it can be easily handwaved.

When you use any sort of media to tell any sort of story, you have to take certain conventions, short cuts, and assumptions into account to be concise and use the time you have. Very few things that happen in any media are random, and have no plot relevance whatsoever, and won't get referenced again, for instance, but that's a big part of daily life. Wasting the Audience's time is a Sin.

Of course, Naylor is FAILING to do this. He is making it a big, long boring SLOG that has no continuity. It's a stream of consciousness. That's BAD for a web comic that only is out twice a week.

>>12703

Precisely. Never confuse your audience with random shit and if you're making a point, finish it. Don't bring up a topic in the story and then go "HEY LOOK OVER HERE!"

>>12617

So having a happy life with a family isn't enough for Fisk he also has to have a woman pining for him for ELEVEN YEARS? His entire marriage? Why does Red have to be so desperate for his attention if she is some sexy undercover spy/solider/whattheshit -? Or further, if Fisk was working with her *all* that time for years on his super-spy job why did he marry Elizabeth instead of Red? The pussy was more obtainable and wasn't covered in tape like Elizabeth's marriage.

>>12705

perhaps its connected to some randian "i do it for the lulz" kind of deal - fisk gets some at home, he's happy with that, and at work he can be swarmed by hot ladies too, he's happy with that (backup sex incase wife gets boring?)

i'm not trying to justify any of it - but if naylor is still selling fisk as a randian penis-god, who only does what makes him feel good, then the above scenario isn't that far off.

From Naylor's Sketchblog:

>back when she had something going on with Fisk, before his marriage.

So wait. She banged Fisk all ready, and yet she's still pursuing after 11 years of "Sorry bitch, bai"?

It's amazing isn't it? Fisk isn't even the main character in this fragging comic and Naylor STILL manages to make him a Marty Stu.

>12721

I wouldn't say that yet. Naylor still has time to change the comic into "Better days 2: The adventures of randian mangod"

>>12722

>>Better days 2: The adventures of randian mangod

i think you mean Better days 2: The adventures of mini Fisk randian mangod Jr. (I still can't remember his damn name)

>>12722

>>Better days 2: The adventures of randian mangod

i think you mean Better days 2: The adventures of mini Fisk randian mangod Jr. (I still can't remember his damn name)

>>12655

Red is Naylor's female character from mucks, etc... Probably used when he was craving some dicking in his RPs but didn't want to look all gay about it!

>>12663
>>12667

See above. Red was bound to go to shit because she's another facet of Naylor's personality. Amazing because it's so incredibly hard to screw up otters cause they're hot, but again I refer to previous statements I've made about Naylor being King Midas in reverse. Everything he touches turns to shit.

Hey, lurker here.
...
The receptionists face in the last pane...Ugh. :|

>>12739

She's reading Wicked Affairs. :)

I cannot begin to list all the things that are wrong with this comic...

First, if Red knew Fisk before he got married, why didn't she get introduced in Better Days?

Second, WTF is happening to the mouse's mouth in the middle panel?!

And I don't understand the punchline he's trying to do at the end...

Seriously Naylor, what. the. FUCK?!

Does he write these things while he's drunk or something? Because this shit makes no sense what so ever and I thought Stephen Meyer was a horrible writer

>>12752
Isn't the receptionist jewish for being a Mouse? Better yet, isn't FLOUNCE jewish? o_O wtf?

Also I am not sure.. she is angry because Red wants to be the mistress but the accusation that Fisk could ever be *weak* for a woman is absolutely ludicrous!

Also not so sure how an ex-teacher jewish woman whom hates her kids and has pretty much become barefoot and pregnant is more tempting then a super-agent-spy-solider-whatever woman (who I guess Naylor has us to presume is badass) Fisk has spent more time with *likely* in the past/present? I dunno, awesome man-god can't handle/have a woman as an equal?

>>12752

Her arm looks broken in that last panel.

Also, didn't Elizabeth renounce her faith earlier? Wouldn't be the first time Naylor fucked up his own continuity.

Oh lol, look here, another rip-off!
All species are of same religion/race, Art Spiegelmann anyone?

>>12756

Benefit of the doubt: He didn't tell his coworkers.

>>12759
Probable truth: Naylor sucks at continuity.

>>12760

Considering these past months of strips... Yeah he does.

Also, another thing.
Proportions Naylor. Stick with one. The mouse has three different head sizes in only strip!

This seem to be the correct correspond to the strip !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

>>12752

I think it's pretty obvious from this strip why he hasn't fucked her yet. She's trying to actually tempt him into having sex with her, instead of prostrating herself before the almighty randian mangod, putting him in the position of control.

Or maybe she has some kind of horrible defect that has yet to be revealed. Such as a personality of her own, or ambitions in life other than getting fucked by Fisk. I don't get the "Jewish talents" thing though. You'd think being used to all that circumcised dick they wouldn't be able to deal with the dunecock.

Remember back when OL started..

And the first couple of pages had backgrounds?

>>12752

I just love Red's longing gaze as he dreams of Fisk's mighty Randian godcock.

>>12763

Also she is forward with her sexuality and what she wants-- its the same thing with Rachel, the woman who seduces a man or tells a man she wants sex from him is just an evil std-ridden slut - where as its somehow less slutty to spy on friends having sex, cheat on boyfriends/girlfriends/wives/husbands,be a pornstar,have an incestuous relationship with your brother or sleep with a girl who has been sexually abused by her father (at a very young age).


But a woman just wanting sex because she outwardly likes a guy? That's wrong >:/.

This page made "Jewish Princess" by Frank Zappa get stuck in my head.

Also, jesus christ Naylor how hard is it to draw some fucking desks or something in the background? Or even some sort of divider that might look like the wall of a cubicle? That's like, three lines. It's not that hard.

Even though I knew the characters were supposed to be in an office, I read this page and got confused for a second as to where the hell they were supposed to be because there is absolutely no background. The only indicator of where they are is the office chair that Red is sitting in. And I guess there's a duffel bag and a table or something in the background of panel 2? I don't even know.

>>12756
Even if Elizabeth renounced the Jewish faith, she'd still be considered Jewish, in terms of race. There are plenty of people out there who are of various faiths, but are still considered Jewish.

>>12764

Backgrounds, you say?

Oh look, the first two panels are arbitrarily divided.

>>12752

First thought in my head: What a fucking slut.

>>12767

There are no backgrounds because they are in a super secret facility and backgrounds are classified.

Whoever said the receptionist looked more like a mouse is full of it; she looks like a cat from "Cats don't dance".

>>12766

No, I think you're wrong here. NAYLOR liked Rachel. He was completely confused WHY people didn't like her. I don't think Naylor ever intended her to be any sort of villain, until he saw the massive response she got (and drew the "pregnant with illegitimate babies" picture.

I am Jewish and it pisses me off how he turns it into some kind of fucking race issue. Yes, there's matrilineal tracing of "authentic" jewish blood, but we don't all fucking look alike.

I'm a blonde, green-eyed Jew and my grandfather was a rabbi. Jews come in every colour. It's so offensive to see us turned into mice, too. You know why Jews were drawn as mice in Maus? Because the Nazis said Jews were like vermin. It was supposed to be an ironic, sarcastic comment on the Nazis.

Naylor makes me so mad. >8T

I have catholic blood in me, therefore I would be a child molester in Naylors comics, apparently. Religion is a choice, I don't know why Naylor seems to think people can be defined into stereotypes by what their great grandparents were. He wants us to hate Jews, which is why they're always shown as smug and self righteous. Clever, Naylor, but not clever enough.

>>12775

Educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish#Distinction_between_Jews_as_a_people_and_Judaism

It's a racial thing as much as a religious one.

Were people this pissed off when Jews were all characterized by mice in Maus?

That's it, I've fucking had it. Enough is enough. I've read Better Days from almost the beginning and, despite some forced political nonsense and the occasional Naylor temper tantrum, I actually enjoyed it. I started to like Original Life to at the beginning, but this is getting ridiculous. Naylor, if your reading this, FINISH THE FUCKING STORY! A good writer doesn't screw with his readers by jumping around like this. This chapter started out with Janie getting a love letter from a emotionally frail young girl. Now it's about some slut trying to fuck your Mary Sue insert. How is this have anything to do with the former? Stick to the fucking story and finish it, then go on to the next! This right now is just a sloppy mess, nothing more. I don't usually rant like this here, but it's become difficult to look at this craphole of a comic without cringing. It's just become....bad.

>>12754
>>Does Naylor live his entire life while drunk?

Fix'd.

Also, isn't this a nice lovely family-friendly light-hearted strip, with all its sexual innuendo and discussion of infidelity?

>>12764

>>Remember back when OL started..

>>And the first couple of pages had backgrounds?

Remember back when BD started..

And the first couple chapters didn't suck?

Wait a sec-

>he stopped his thing with you when he got engaged

...Does this mean that he was seeing Red behind Elizabeth's back?

Yes. In Wicked Affairs he pretty much tells Liz that he's going to also be sleeping around on her, which is why that story was so stupid. It's okay if Fisk nails other women though, because unlike her ex he told her up front. But, anyways, he presumably realized that it was fucking stupid and decided to settle down when he was married so she wouldn't get fed up one day and leave his ass.

>>12766

Well I think its wrong because Fisk is married but when you add on all the other stuff Naylor probably hates about women...

I mean if this were any other comic with any other characters. I'd applaud Fisk for being faithful to his wife and everything but still this is Naylor we're talking about. He's probably doing just as you said. Calling women who are more forward with their sexuality total sluts.

But at the same time this doesn't explain Beth. A character Naylor seemed to really like above even Fisk at one point.

>>12772
Lol Sawyer's reaction to being compared to the mouse receptionist...

Blah do not compare that thing to Sawyer. Ever. Again!

There's also the possibility that he's not sleeping with her specifically because he could tell that she'd become attached, and he decided he'd get off more on manipulating her emotions and keeping her pining for him than he would just sticking it in her.

Changed it from a physical affair to an abusive emotional one, basically.

Relationships in the Naylorverse aren't based upon love, they're based on sex and physical attraction. When young Fisk crushes on that girl in school (who is admittedly much older than he is), she tells him that she'd rather lie back and "have her brains fucked out" by a jock football player than get involved in a messy, emotionally intimate relationship. Similarly, when Fisk and Elizabeth begin seeing each other, he tells her quite bluntly that he has other lovers and she shouldn't expect exclusivity from him; this is probably something that changed when they actually got married. Naylor has always placed Fisk in a position to fuck as many people as possible pretty much whenever he wants, and he's certainly not a stickler for monogamy (Sheila, remember, starts the affair with Sam, who is married, albeit unhappily). I suspect that staying faithful to Elizabeth has less to do with his attitudes toward sex in general and more with the fact that he probably promised her he'd stop seeing other people (and portraying Fisk as the fine, upstanding kind of guy who would kill at the drop of a hat, but would never lie to his wife).

Educate yourself to this reality.

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=19234

>>12786

It's not expression, it's the head design. The lower cheek tufts sticking out. The ears. It's the same general design.

I'm not even sure what the joke for this strip was supposed to be. That Jewish women are really good lovers? O-kay? That wasn't really funny.

Maybe not as bad as that Hitler joke Elizabeth made but still stupid.

Red is slowly turning into a bear. I cannot unsee.

>>12764
don't forget punchlines, it had those too.

>>12792

Fisk is Naylor self insert, whether he denies now or not. He's drawing strips where a cute girl is lusting after him. Therefore he derailed the story line simply for some ego stroking wish fulfillment. Just like any good writer would do.

>>12787

That's rather dark. D:

>>12777

There's context around why Jews were portrayed as rats/mice in Maus. The context was that the Nazi party often compared Jews to vermin to be eradicated, talked about how filthy and immoral Jews were, and that Jews as a race were pests to be exterminated. Nazis were portayed as cats.

People didn't get upset then because in Maus Jews really did have to flee and hide in the shadows, lie and do whatever they could to escape certain death. It was an artful, bitter gesture satirizing the "Judenratz" attitude of the Nazi party, especially because the mice in Maus would often adopt the identity of, say, a gentile Pole by slipping on the mask of another animal. It was obviously a rat in a fucking mask, but the Nazi/cats couldn't tell the difference because Jews _don't look any different than other people_.

Naylor just lacks all comprehension of why Maus was a sarcastic, bitter "fuck you" to anti-semites and continues to portray Jews as vermin.

Fuck you, Naylor.

>>12787
Yeah, but I don't think Naylor's smart enough to come up with that on his own, though.

>>12798
>Nazis were portrayed as cats.
I like this sentence. I like it a lot. I could really imagine naylor raging upon hearing that sentence.

>>12800

Someone should mention that when Naylor updates his journal or probably on Twitter.

>>12799
Read my post: >>12757

>12800

Exactly.

Jews weren't portrayed as mice because there's something awesome about mice, they were portrayed as mice because there was a concentrated, orchestrated movement to wipe them off the planet. If the Nazis had decided that, say, people taller than 1780cm were "vermin" then thosepeople would have been portrayed as vermin and the Nazis would still be cats. I'm sure the Jews would have been portrayed as one of the traditional Jewish animals like goats or doves or whatever.

Naylor's a retard, in summary.

>>12085

>Jews weren't portrayed as mice because there's something awesome about mice

Mice don't have a negative connotation among furries, so if Naylor's going to loosely pair ethnicity with species, it's not somehow racist to make mice Jewish. At least no more so than the basic concept of making race = species.

>>12783
Didn't they pose as husband and wife on Fisk's first mission back in better days? Or was that a different chick that had the same face, hair, and body type because Naylor can't draw?

>>12805

I was under the impression he made the Jews mice because he was ripping off Maus.

Yes, different chick. This was some tiger woman.

>>12808

I recall that he said he made them mice out of a gesture to a furry friend of his, a Jew who plays a Jewish mouse. On the MUCk where he gets his dick rubbed, there's a popular Mouse character who is a Jew (whose "last name" is in fact Maus).

So I'm betting it was an homage to someone who fucked his virtual butt.

>So I'm betting it was an homage to someone who fucked his virtual butt.

Kinda like the thing with Bonk.

>>12617
>>12777
That's just a theory, it's not set in stone. If it were true, you couldn't change your religion to Judaism. True, the jewish stereotypes are handed through families with a "pure" bloodline, but the fact is it's just a religion, a point of view, something to live your life by.

>>12811

No, it's not JUST a religion, it's a religion AND an ethnicity.

A Jew who is atheist is still considered a Jew to other Jews, even if they completely ignore the lifestyle/religion/etc. In fact if the mother of someone is a Jew, then the child is considered Jewish. It's a big deal because the notion is being Jewish is being part of a PEOPLE, a historical people that can be traced back to Abraham, etc etc.

And yet someone who converts is considered a Jew. Yet Judaism doesn't try to convert people. They USED to be fairly leery/not encourage conversion, and marrying outside of the faith was considered a little taboo. That's changing as decades go by, but that's how it used to be (especially with Orthodox).

It's not JUST a religion, but it's not JUST a racial thing. It's BOTH. That isn't a theory. That's rather historical fact from the prespective of Jewish people throughout history. Or have they all been wrong compared to one guy on the internet?

>>12812

Which is why the arc where Elizabeth's mom wants to take her kids to Temple is SOOOO hilarious. She claims them not to be 'jewish' but especially since she is a jew and their mother-- they would be seen that way ethnically -- though then again that was just 'Bah religion bad-- atheism awesome!' storyline. Still why pick on Judaism Naylor? It isn't as 'radical' as Islam and Christianity can be.. :/

>>12774 So, what's the "Jewish Talents" he's talking about here that involves Sex? I've heard of many sexual stereotypes concerning race "white men with little dicks, black men with huge" but I can't say I've honestly heard jack about jews except they are exceptionally good with their money (which I guess could be a talent Fisk would find sexy in a Scrouge McDuck sorta way).

Also, backgrounds? Pfft. Of course the backgrounds are there. THey're spies. The furniture is just in stealth mode.

>>12777

Maybe because the guy that wrote mouse was a jew and actually knew what he was writing about and wasn't trying to use stereotypes for the purpose of vague punchlines? Just a guess.

>>12813
>It isn't as 'radical' as Islam and Christianity can be.

Wait... so CHRISTIANITY can be more radical than Judaism? I'm pretty sure every mainstream variant of Christianity has Jewish roots, making it a form of Judaism.

Of course, either way, I don't think Elizabeth's mom was taking them to the local communion wafer stabbing or anything... unless Naylor is somehow even weirder than he appears.

It would shock academic scholars of religion to find out that because Christianity has its roots in Jewish thought, we can consider modern Christianity merely a "form of Judaism."

What I am trying to imply is that you are not right in this particular instance of discussion pertaining to modern scholarly classification of religious thought. Ahem.

>>12814

I think she was just saying it in a "Once you go black, you never go back" sort of way. I.e. not very serious.

>>12818

True, it stems from Judaism -- I think most everyone knows that. But remember the Spanish Inquisition-- the one noone expected? That was pretty damn radical and fairly close to the Jihad many Islams wage now a days.Yes any religion can be 'radical', but more are pointed out in mainstream media then others (i.e. Christianity and Islam) my point is, Judaism isn't exactly a religion that goes out of it way to recruit or preach to other people-- so the reasoning why Naylor used that as a target for being 'blindly using religion to make children into bad people' is stupid,along with just the ideal that one trip to Temple is enough to brainwash Fisk's childrens.

But I regardless, the fact he clumps anyone practicing anything religious turns them into hateful terrible people is terribly retarded in its own rights.

>>12814

Apparently Jewish women are REALLY enthusiastic about sex. This is according to my Jewish female friend.

>12826

If you go to an Orthodox rabbi and say you want to convert, he'll laugh in your face and slam the door in your face. It's not a "you're not good enough" thing, it's that in Judaism, the rules for living a kosher life are seen as ridiculously restrictive, so why the hell would anyone voluntarily take up that burden? That's why many rabbis will initially refuse a convert.

>>12827
I thought that the stereotype was that they just lie there.

>>12828
According to some Orthodox Jews, a convert must ask at least 3 times before he's considered for conversion.

>>12831

Isn't that British women?

>>12831

Maybe if you have a sheet with a hole in it?

The sheet thing is for the Roma, I believe. And it's inaccurate, as far as Larry David learned ("Curb Your Enthusiasm" is my primary source for matters of ethnicity).

And now we return to your scheduled story arc (if there's one).

Is it me or Izabelle looks exactly the same as Jessica? (the character's model, just with a different color scheme)

>>12831

Seriously? What's the punchline. Damn it Jay, it's not a joke if you have to explain it or if people can't figure it out!

Why the, fuck does, Isabelle, talk like this? Naylor, must have failed, English class.

>>12842
Re-used models ftw.

>>12842

A children's coach coping with feelings of inadequacy by living vicariously through his/her students' achievements, with humorous consequences!? Once again, Naylor is breaking exciting new ground in the world of comic storytelling.

On the bright side, I suspect we'll be spared a cliche "winning isn't everything" moral, since Naylor does in fact firmly believe that winning is everything. Plus, he'd never have any spawn of Fisk bring shame to their father with a second place trophy.

...Is it just me, or is Janie gradually becoming something of a tragic character?

>>12842

>Janie, you're my star, this year.
>The other girls don't look up to speed, again.

Fucking Naylor and his unnecessary commas. I don't know why that annoys me so much.

>>12847

because it's Naylor?

>>12842
Based on the hair, I'd have to agree. Although the face doesn't look quite the same. I'm getting thrown off by the black/white contrast though.

>>12842

And now back in a whole different direction!

>>12849

Yeah the face does throw me off too...

>The other girls don't look up to speed, again.

This one is acceptable, though "again" should be italicized, just to make emphasis on it.

>>12842

ok seriously...

aside from the fact that suddenly declaring Janie to be better than all the other girls in her class (we assume that its her coach or something... nice lack of telling us who we're looking at naylor) without any previous comparison explaining the setup, then...

FRENCH SCRUFFS

oh come on naylor. that is so old.

i am aware of the probability of most of the people here being american, so the use of a french bad guy might not be seen as that offensive - but i'm european, and i see nothing wrong in the french. they never did anything to me my country.

alternatly, then todays comic can simply be seen as what happens when people actually start expecting those randian super-kids to succeed at everything.

This entire comic is one Big-Lipped Alligator moment.

>>12854

this frightens me because it seems to be correct

Someone's been watching too much Glee.

So what does this have to do with Charlie?

>>12842

Hey look, it's a Jessica reissue with a new paint job! (I half wonder if the fur markings are supposed to make it a skunk... I wouldn't put it by Naylor to try and introduce a new species and be so bad at drawing it that we couldn't tell.)

You notice how Naylor falls back on the standard of not only making his preferred characters ZOMGSOOOOOOOOOO awesome, but also turning everyone else retards to heighten it?

"Oh, Janie, I know that you apparently do every sport under the sun, but despite that lack of focus you are my only hope, because everyone else in the class has the Palsy!"

> and i see nothing wrong in the french. they never did anything to me my country.

It's chic to mock the French (Yes, I used a French word there intentionally). "Surrender Monkey" is a common epithet. The French are seen as pansies who care too much about fancy cheeses, don't bathe, are rude, and generally anything "French" is seen as stupid and gay. Just after 9/11, the Cafeteria in Congress changed "French fries" to "Freedom Fries" for several years. No joke.

>>12857

It's been so long that Naylor's probably forgotten what the real story was supposed to be. Or else he's tied himself down to 50 page chapters and is trying to pad a 20 page story out, which seems more likely.

>>12847
it's not just you. I didn't really mind it when he threw in unnecessary commas throughout the rest of the comic, but it's like these are so unnecessary that I just wonder what he was thinking.

also, does anyone else think unnecessary commas would be a good name for a band?

>>12842

Ahh, of course Fisk's spawn are the best at everything. They're made from his supersperm, dontcha know.

>>12860
Hey, IMHO, the French still have 50 years of pure asshattery to make up for after WWII.

>>I half wonder if the fur markings are supposed to make it a skunk

I thought she was a border collie, myself. Also, wasn't Leon the name of Janie's cousin? Is this Izabelle lady seriously raging against a kid? Or am I remembering wrong? Wait, maybe Leon's is the other school...

Also...French scruffs? What's the betting the enemy coach is a poodle?

>>12863
raging a little now. sent this to naylor via twitter:
>dear @jayrnaylor, commas do not have to be in every sentence. stop putting commas in every sentence.

this was his response:
>@goronhead I use them when they should be. If you don't know what you're talking about, shut your fucking mouth.

>>12868
Sheesh, someone's on the rag.

>>12869

Naylor can't take criticism. Ten bux says he's blocked goronhead already.

>>12870
is there a way to easily tell if someone's blocked you?

>>12871

Try to view an individual Tweet (click the time it was posted). It should tell you if you're authorized to see the status or not.

Also: http://twitter.com/sagefreehaven/statuses/9154447483

>>12872
yep, looks like he's blocked me, which I actually find pretty funny.

also, I don't know if this is related to my comment, but he said "Not taking grammar advice from someone who's allergic to the shift-key." my response was "I'm not allergic to the shift key, I'm just lazy. and I'm not sure what that has to do with grammar advice."

>>12874
Capital letters after periods aren't a grammatical convention, but a typographical one. The placing of commas, however, is important to the flow and the tone of a sentence. So to capitalize after a period is less related to the nuances of imparted information than the placement of commas are.

Basically, his mistake is more significant, even though it could be said that both of you were talking about typography, not grammar.

His comma placement is shoddy - I know fuck all about typography and have created very little written dialog, but trying to imagine how some of his sentences would be spoken out loud is jarring.

>>12842 you know. With Fisk being unbeatable, his kids being unbeatable, he could sell his services as a stud and create the ubber race. Even his idiot of a son has win genes against any direct threat he faces save is stupid sisters.

Nice hands btw. And this looks like a totally new story line plot, not a continuation of anything prior.

Let's not forget his retarded apostrophe placement either.

>>12876

Maybe it's just random filler again.

What a little puss - he gets that uppity and upset because someone points out that he uses too many commas? If he thinks he's using them correctly, he needs to a) take an English class, and b) read this dialogue outload. Me personally, when I read his comics, I always have a mental pause when I get to a comma. So his comics read like "Janie (pause) you're my star (pause) today" It's absolutely retarded and maddening. And, todays comic, was probably one of the worst, examples of his comma, abuse. NAYLOR. STOP IT.

Wow.

I mean, wowwww.

Does anyone know if Naylor went to college? Because if THAT'S how he deals with someone saying "oh hey, I think your comma placement is off" then I would pay to watch his reactions to the grades he would get from some of my professors.

we should have a talk like naylor day, where we put commas, in completely unnecessary places.

>>12881

Thing's would be really, difficult to read.

I think, it's the best idea, ever.

We could talk, down to each other, as well!

>>12884
,Only i,f they, talk up to us,.




,

>>12880 Naylor is Georgia High School Educated. No collegate education. Kinkos has taught him all he knows.

>>12881 Everyone, would sound like, Shatner.

>>12887

And, Shatner is, totally, awesome!

Dont forget, too miss, use apostrophe's, while your at, it guy's?

>>12887

No... everyone would sound like... abadimpressionofShatner.

As a self-proclaimed grammar-nazi, naylors's' inability to type correctly is, much appalling to me.
>>12886

Also, Naylor was probably planning to attend college, until he realized that no one would put up with his shit like they did in high school.

>>12905

College is fun of right-wingers with martyr complexes and smug glibertarians. Depending on the college, he'd fit in passably or even very well.

(And nothing of value was lost.)

>>12944
>>"You made it!"
"Because I seriously wasn't expecting it, what with you being an absentee father and all."

>"You made it!"

I actually thought she was referring to Janie there...

>>12944
>>"Are we training a ninja now?"

Well someone needs to fill in for you killing terrorists once you retire, Fisk.

>>12944

Way to include an ass-shot, Naylor.

I didn't know Naylor was into foot binding.

>>12962

If you can call those foot...

>>12944
for a second, I thought this was going to be a good page, but then he ruined it with talking. I think he threw in that unnecessary comma just to troll us.

>>12958
Speaking of ass shots, is is just me, or is there something creepy about the way the tail moves throughout the entire sequence?

Rule of 3rds
Rule of 3rds
Rule of 3rds!!!

Was it really necessary to show the top of the kid's head? Why not zoom back and show the scene? Depict that they're sitting in the bleachers or standing beside the gym or something? Why not just leave her out completely if you're going to just snip the rest of her body off?

I'm sorry, but this panel just rubbed every classically trained artisan nerve the wrong way simultaneously.

>>12944
I can't tell if he's smiling the least little bit or not. You'd think he'd be happy, but he looks like he really doesn't want to be there.

>>12963

Oh shit, I looked at the silhouettes closer and now I can't help but imagine that the psychotic gym teacher hacked off her legs and replaced them with some sort of frankensteinian powersprings to make her better at athletics.

>>12958

That's... not really an ass shot. I mean, if it were DETAILED, sure. But just the fact that it shows the place her legs connect to, it's... not.

I mean, there's no gratuity here. No definition. It' s just Janie's back.

>>12988

It's more how close-up it is. If it were zoomed back even a little bit more, to show all of her legs and thus be about the pose, I doubt it would have even occurred to me.

Though all that may be more about Naylor's lazy drawing than about him getting off on drawing Janie, especially to judge by the rest of the comic.

>>12944
And the question once again is the background. Is it so hard to draw basic people around them. I mean they are in a school right so that means bleachers which should have people in them. I'm not looking for much but something would be nice.

>>12990

Even just have people in the background turn into little stick figures, maybe with a distinguishing characteristic if they're a named character. Bill Amend did that, and it often worked.

The difference between Calvin's father telling him that he's from K-Mart and Fisk doing the same is that Calvin's father does it to mess with him and get a laugh. Fisk is just neglectful and lazy.

>>12990

Actually, I'm beginning to think they're actually in some sort of a surreal objectivist dimension where everything but a few key places and the characters is nothing but a grey, featureless mass. From it, more places are formed as necessary and into it everything melds again when it has served its purpose.

It makes sense. Fisk is the god of that realm, shaping it to his liking. From the featureless void, he forms his dreams and desires. He truly is his own god.

>>12997

To say nothing of the fact that Calvin & Hobbes is actually a good comic, whereas this piece of shit is Naylor's wankfest that shamelessly rips off everything good and makes it look worse in the process. Or possibly better, I really don't know.

>>12958

>>12944

>Are we training a ninja, now?

Really, is that it? That's his punchline? That's what's supposed to make us laugh? Holy fucking shit, I can't believe how unfunny this comic is. As bad as Better Days was, it was able to produce some real humor, even if it wasn't very funny, like the whole talking penis thing.

Naylor really doesn't care anymore. The only reason this comic exists is to make us look at the ad for his porno comic on the right side of the strip and buy it instead, that has to be the only reason he ignores backgrounds, hands, and anything resembling humor.

Kitchen Knife Legs.
Wut.

>>12997
I've just realized that I've put this in the wrong thread. Whoops.

>Kitchen Knife Legs.
Wut.

Prehaps Naylor is going to make a future story arc (that stays for one or two comics then goes off somewhere else) that involves Janie changing into a "million dollar man" like person but with kitchenware.

Or he has no grasp of anatomy. you decide.

>>13008

its just his chibi leg style... they have no feet - and has no place in a comic where all the other panels in that comic are not chibi

nice one naylor - another 'nayl' to the cofin :p