>>13917

I somewhat agree with what Fisk is saying, but it comes across very pretensions. But here's the thing, she never went to a Priest, Rabbi, and such to get an opinion on the particular religion. She went to random people she knew and claimed to experts on it.

This is a bad thing to do if you're intrigued about religion. I understand it's suppose to be funnier this way, but here it's poorly executed.

Fisk's pose in the last panel makes me want to punch him in the mouth.

And why don't you just become a Taoist? OH RIGHT! One of the three basic principles is Compassion!

>a more objective perspective

I see what you did there, Naylor, and it made me facepalm. Also, nice to see the tradition of having young kids talking like adults is alive and well.

>>13921

Saw it too... I raged a little inside.

>Fisk's pose in the last panel makes me want to punch him in the mouth.

That too...

>always contradicting each other
>asking me to accept things blindly first
>no way to reason any of it out between them
>more objective perspective
>something very wrong with being so certain about something, just because it makes you feel better.

"There's something VERY wrong about being SO certain about something because it makes you feel better."

While I do agree with this, you just KNOW the irony here never even hit Naylor.

>>13917

I bet Naylor didn't even think he was writing anything the slightest bit ironic with that last li-

>>13925

Dammit!

Where's the flying star in the sky followed by the rainbow. That's what you normally get after a public service announcement.

>>13917

I just... I don't.... ow my brain.

You know. Is it ironic (not just the statements in the comic, that's obvious) but ironic that neither of them have any real friends? Cause, I know in RL, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be friends with a girl like that. She goes to people ask them about their beliefs, then disses them because they, as CHILDREN (not more knowledgable adults) actually behaved like kids and couldn't fully explain things to her satisfaction.

Does this clan ever meet defeat in their lives on anything (except Elizabeth who seems to have lost the gamble of life at being a strong independent woman confident in herself, ethnic identity and job,and is now the chamber maid to a half time husband and kids she doesn't fully like).

And yet, as a comic page, still nothing happens in it. It's boring to look at and the read only reinforces how unrealistic these drawings are as characters. They're the exact same person, just drawn differently.

OBJECTIVE perspective OBJECTIVE perspective OBJECTIVE perspective OBJECTIVE perspective OBJECTIVE perspective OBJECTIVE perspective OBJECTIVE perspective OBJECTIVE perspective

... >:O

I kinda get Fisk's point if he wasn't an Objectivist. See, most religions DO want you to put your faith in blindly, I'm happily a half-Buddhist right now because I feel that it's a ... Teaching (it's not actually classed as a religion) that makes sense to me.
Objectivism makes sense to Naylor because he's a retard.
There's a difference.

I really wonder if Naylor thinks there is going to be any sort of enlightenment coming from this bile'o crap...
Typically, if people were just seeking something to make them feel better, they have security blankets for that. While many presume faith is merely a validation of oneself and a guarantee to one's existence come a after-life. Both of these factors are more just a chip off the ice-burg, just as well to what she is suggesting 'whole right and wrong' It's perhaps more likely that there 'isn't' a right or-wrong. Faith/Religion/etc, existed Ooooodles before a great many were even in practice, it is just as well possible that while 'God' so to speak, has appeared to separate perceptions and has developed in different shapes over the years. The fact that Religion and faith was always a constant may be more reason then anything else to suggest perhaps that at the very core, they are all united under the principle.

think Naylor filled the strip up with enough chat bubbles? There may actually be more ink done to the text then to the characters.

>>"There's something VERY wrong about being SO certain about something because it makes you feel better."

While I do agree with this, you just KNOW the irony here never even hit Naylor

When I read that line I LOL'd. I mean, wow, just wow. It's the funniest thing in this comic yet and he doesn't know it. Which might make it even better if it weren't so pathetic and ragey. I hope for more quotes of this type!

I don't care if I've used this already...

Clearly Naylor hasn't heard of Natural Law and other religious based arguments in ethics and other fun things that actually require RATIONAL THOUGHT, not just faith.

>>While I do agree with this, you just KNOW the irony here never even hit Naylor

Somehow this did not end up being quoted in my post. Huh.

And also, as someone else mentioned, Janie did not talk to anyone like a rabbi, priest, etc., and I think any decent parent, knowing their child was curious, would consider taking their kid to talk to spiritual leaders who are prepared to answer in-depth questions, and, unlike other children, are probably not going to feel hurt if their view is rejected by a ten year old. Like, seriously, I'd imagine most kids would feel pretty bad getting their beliefs bashed by a peer and expected to justify it like expert theologians in order not to be regarded as an idiot. I'm not saying some adults, and even perhaps some priests (I, er, knew a rather excitable one once) won't be butthurt by this type of thing, but overall, that would be the real sensible option, and, provided he didn't (fat chance) make them all laughable strawmen (cue Janie running out of confessional after molestation attempt) it would be a better story, this conversation would be more justified, and Naylor might actually seem like less of a docuhe.

The key term is, of course "decent parent" and "less of a douche", both of which I don't think can ever be applied to Fisk or Naylor (may he never breed)

It's not all that surprising that Fisk does not care to really help Janie along in her quest for spiritual relavence. After all, he's never seen religion do anyone any good in his life.

His Randian dune-cock has fucked the judiasm out of his wife; his sister cock-sucked the faith from her catholic boyfriend/husband; all the praying that the muslims do sure doesn't help them against all the bullets and shit Fisk sends their ways; and those of Eastern faith killed his old man.

So, yeah. Fisk paid lip-service to encouraging Janie to find faith, almost knowing she'd look in the wrong place (kids, her peers) and only being too happy to be the voice of authority (as an adult who knows some shit, natch) and indoctronate her into his own religion of Objectivism.

Maybe this may make sense if Janie was 13/14/15 years old, but a 10 year old doesn't have their beliefs shaken easily. Why? Children are naive.
So this sort of conversation doesn't make a whole hell lot of sense granted the context, much else all the damned plot holes and poor storytelling.

Typical comic is pretty typical.. we were just waiting for the objectivism thing to be pulled out his ass.


There is no God or Kings ONLY NAYLOR.

This makes you wonder if all along Naylor wanted to lead to something like this, to find an excuse to preach objectiveism.

>>13940

This is Naylor. So I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

Ah... well, looks like the last strip, where Janie actually acts her age, was just a one off. Now we're back to the 'I AM A FORTY YEAR OLD PHILOSOPHY PROFESSER AND I TEACH SCEPTICISM'.

This makes me a sad panda...

>There is no God or Kings ONLY NAYLOR.

a sad but true thing we are forced to compute

god i want to slap naylor and just say "No, that is not how children behave!!!"

Know what's great? Lackadaisy's little filler comic for St. Patrick's Day had its own criticism of religion. It took one page and was entertaining so as not to make your brain hurt.

You know, this whole episode completely ignores that religions, along with "LOL BLIND FAITH" also teach something called ethics and a way to live.

Granted, many people utterly misinterpret/abuse/ignore it the message, but you don't even NEED the blind faith to follow the philosophy or the teachings themselves. For instance, you can believe Jesus was just some guy - not the son of God - and STILL think he had some good advice about treating the poor and follow his advice.

>>13917

I find it mildy amusing that mangod and demonspawn can have a casual conversation while breathing and running at the same time. Apparently Naylor has never gone for a jog other than to the toilet to shit out this crap.

...sigh...just when I start to get that tiny little flicker of hope that I won't be condescended towards for once...

My two cents, adjusted for inflation: religion, as I've come to understand it, was created to comfort the people who had no control or understanding of their world--it was an answer to many questions no could generate on their own, hence why science has displaced it in the minds of many. To say that it's somehow bad because it brings comfort is really missing a large amount of the point, and that's not even getting into how many religions provide good (though sometimes overwrought or questionable) rules for just living life...

I may be an atheist, but saying "it's wrong because it makes you feel good" is just ignorant and short-sighted. And let me tell you what, living in uncertainty is a far sight less pleasant than the alternative.

I'm an atheist but think religion has a place as long as that is really only "be kind to each other." I hate when people feel they are better then everyone else and know better then then everyone else because of their religion. As Gandhi once said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Naylor seems to be the "Ctrl Alt Del" of the furry community. I've never seen so many "WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS" captions without moving the story on a significant amount. How can Naylor continue to write so much crap without moving the story?

>>13963
>>provide good (though sometimes overwrought or questionable) rules for just living life...

Chances are, if it seems overwrought or questionable now, it seemed perfectly reasonable at the time it was first set down.

Modern society as a whole has a bad habit of layering what makes sense from a modern standpoint with what made sense back in the day where if you were really really lucky and took care of yourself and didn't get any really bad diseases or infections, you might live into your fifties.

I mean, yeah, some of the stuff in old religions looks horribly sexist or pointless to us, because we're not fighting to keep our population from slipping below sustainable numbers, and we're not taking our lives into our hands every time we eat a porkchop.

>>13917
Oh, for fuck's sake, Naylor! This is the most thinly veiled piece of mealy-mouthed objectivist crap I have ever read. Fuck you, Jay Naylor.

>>13920
Same here.

>>13967
Even if it wasn't WORDSWORDSWORDS, he still couldn't move the story forwards because he can't finish a freakin' plotline.

>>13917

Ok, one last strip (hopefully) to complete the whole religion arc. And I gotta say... It doesn't make me as angry as I thought it would.

Now, of course, it is a rather ham-handed way of presenting the old "Since we stand outside the bubble of religion, we can see how ridiculous they all are when we look at them" argument so popular among certain atheists, and of course we have Janie talking like a philosophy student at 10 years old (I know many kids are rather precocious and intelligent, but c'mon). But I have to say, I'm kinda impressed that Fisk lets Janie speak her mind and do most of the talking, only giving some of his viewpoints at the end. Its actually seems like a rather nice parenting strategy of letting his kids find their own path in life and make up their mind about spirituality on their own.

But, if I may make a detour on the subject, I'm almost concerned that it seems too good to be true. I remember reading the discussions about the Temple-arc (roughly, strip 39 to 43) were the discussions turned to how atheists tend to raise their children, and someone (I think it was Sechs) complained about how when you read the homepages of people who have recently become parents and when asked what they're gonna teach them about religion its never "yes, we're gonna teach them the falsehood of religion and make sure that they become atheists when they grow up". Its always "we're gonna teach them to appreciate reason and logic and allow them to make up their own minds on the subjects as they get older"; the implications being that since they have learned to be rational and haven't been exposed to religious teachings, they will be able so see how ridiculous religions are and become atheists all through their own power. I think Sechs said "If you want to raise your kids to be atheists, just come out and say that you wan't to raise your kids to be atheists", which I always thought was a very good point. I mean, if people have a right to raise their children with certain religious and spiritual beliefs, they should certainly have a right to raise them without religion and to encourage them to be atheists, so there's no point to not just flat-out say it. I suppose its a way of showing that they're better than many religious people by encouraging children to "think for themselves" rather than shoving a particular belief down their throat, but I doubt that the picture is really so rosy-tinged as its often made out to be. Parents for the most part try to impress their own values upon their children, religious, non-religious or anti-religious, so its simply natural that they also try to raise their kids with their own views on spirituality. Saying that you're trying to teach you kids to be "rational" isn't really differentiating you from religious parents, since they too think that their religion is the most reasonable one and if their children truly learn to be reasonable, they will adopt their religion as a matter of course. I find the same problem with certain "freethought" summer camps, like Camp Quest. They often go out of their way to state that their purpose isn't to indoctrinate children away from religion but to encourage "rational inquiry, critical thinking" etc., when its just so patently obvious that, yeah, they want to teach children to be critical of religion. I mean, their most well-known activity is the "Unicorn Challenge" where, if campers can disprove the existence of an invisible, immaterial Unicorn, they win a "godless" pre-1953 dollar note, or a ten-pound note with Charles Darwin on it in the UK. Some councilors have claimed that its meant to teach children about the nature of falsifiability, but can you really be anymore obvious what the real intent of the challenge is? If its all about avoiding religious indoctrination, why don't they just encourage parents to send their kids to secular, unbound camps? Bottom line: if atheism is the best view on life and the universe, then be proud of it and just say that you want to raise your kids that way rather then try to hide behind diffuse terms like "I'm allowing my kids to make up their own minds and to develop critical thinking skills".

Well, I'm back after my "slight" detour from the subject; I hope you can forgive me for it and I'll try to be less long-winded in the future. Let's wrap it up!

Well, like others have said, its strange that Janie has only sought to seek information about religion from other children, rather than going to a priest, or a rabbi and so on. I guess it goes along with the comic's theme of having religious and political strawmen being children, so Naylor don't have to give them even slightly coherent arguments to respond to. But the worst part has to be Fisk's line at the bottom of the page:

>>You can do it from a more OBJECTIVE perpective.

Seriously Naylor, you're really gonna make such an obvious reference to the philosophy you're trying to get across here. You might as well just come straight out and have Fisk say that he's an Objectivist! Your Mary Sues agree with Rand on everything anyway, so what's the point in trying to hide it. Besides, in Obectivism intelligence is equated with being absolutely certain about the truth of the philosophy, so there should certainly be something wrong with with being uncertain about your spiritual beliefs. At least he didn't put the word in emphasis; that would propably be too obvious even for him.

Well, lets hope and pray (haha!) that this is the last page of the whole religion story-line, and that Naylor goes back to haphazardly jumping between different narratives so we can find something new to vent our rage on.

I really thought naylor was turning this around on Friday. Can we all pretend this page never happened, since it's remindede me of how Naylor can turn a pleasant scene into what is basically an objectivist windmilling his cock (read: Naylor's foreskin) in your face. Most people outgrow the 'arsehole teenage atheist' stage, but not our Jay. NOT OUR MOTHERFUCKING BIGOT JAY. NO FUCKING WAY.

Considering who this is coming from it could have been worded A LOT worse. I'm actually surprised he managed to not be....too offensive.

Sooo....Good Job?

>>13921
I get it.

It's because it rhymes, right?

>>13977

Why would you be impressed that Fisk let's Jane do the talking? What, like you were expecting him to do some parenting on his own? Hell, he's only running with her because Elizabeth told him to in a manner were the alternative would have turned her into his cousin he 'rescued'.

In fact, I'm not so sure how I feel about the fact there are kids in this "comic" at all. As many have said, none of them act like kids. Few of them seem to respect or interact with one another like kids. It's like a world of midget adults and the only thing for certain I can be happy about with all the woman he convinces to go out with him in real life is the fact he's not actually gotten any of them pregnant, because if this is his idea of healthy parent/child relationships, heaven help anybody that's gotta deal with those kids outside of his immediate control.

>>13917
>There's no way to reason any of it out between them!

Congratulations. You have just insulted every single religion, both by complaining none of them use any reason, and by insinuating they're all the same shit. Also, I like how examining "meditationism" and Christianity qualifies you as some sort of expert on religion in general.

>If you want to explore spiritual beliefs, you can do it from a more objective perspective.

The "objective" perspective being to start off with faith that all religions have no truth to them. Of course.

>There's nothing wrong with being uncertain, Janie. There's something very wrong with being so certain about something, just because it makes you feel better.

Every religious person is religious simply because it makes them feel better. Well, that's nothing new. But wait...

>There's nothing wrong with being uncertain
>nothing wrong with being uncertain
>being uncertain
>UNCERTAIN

Well, this is new. I thought everything had a right side and a wrong side, with the right side being whatever objectivism proclaims. Please tell me Fisk hasn't actually doubted his religion dogmatic philosophy for once!

OH wait, that's right, Naylor did recently decide that being gay for pay is fine. So I guess there's that.

>>13990

2/10. You might get a rise out of maybe 2% of the regular population.

Aside from the whole facepalm-inducing, hypocritical bit there at the end, I have to say that I understand the whole 'look at religion from a more objective standpoint (I refused to use 'objective perspective') by not exposing ones children to it' way of thinking, as that was the the way I was brought up as a child.

Also, am I the only one here who wants go to his twitter and quote the various hypocritical bits in this strip, especially that last little gem, and tell him that it might be a good idea to start practicing what he preaches?

i find the whole

>There's nothing wrong with being uncertain, Janie. There's something very wrong with being so certain about something, just because it makes you feel better.

very amusing.

why? because naylor is a prime example of him being VERY sure about what he does because he's lulled himself into thinking that it feels good - or something to that extent.

>>13993
To be fair, I wasn't exposed to religion as a child and was an arsehole atheist for my early teen years. I still have no religion, but can't say I really find religion that important if you keep it to yourself. But when you force it upon others, or force atheism upon others, that's when I get pissed off.

>>14005

Yes, I was the same way during much of my teen years. Until I realized that the main problem that I had with organized religion was the people who constantly were trying to shove it down others throats, and that I was doing the exact same thing with, only with my atheism.

Someone whose daddy was a baptist and his daddy was a baptist and HE's a baptist - is probably going to have the same attitude towards other religions as someone whose dad was an atheist and his dad was an atheist and he's an atheist.

Someone who shops around the marketplace of religions/philosophies and decides on Baptists or Atheism is likely going to have more in common with regards to their attitudes about other religions.

Okay, obviously Naylor is flogging the dead horse of his beliefs. I don't understand how the hate from our peanut gallery hasn't crested yet. Don't we expect this?

But whoever pointed out the absurdity that Janie is so confident but hasn't really talked to anyone except kids about religion deserves the THREAD PRIZE, because that's a really good point that Naylor missed in his writing. Someone mail them a stack of Wendy's coupons (I keep adding stuff to make clear I'm not sarcastic, but it keeps coming off as more sarcastic!).

In all honesty, this is just a reflection of Naylor. With all his bluster, he doesn't know his shit. He doesn't even know his Objectivism. Does anyone think he's read St. Anselm, Thomas Aquinas, Socrates' "Euthyphro," the Buddhist canon works, the Tao Te Ching, Avicenna's rational defense of Islam, Kierkegaard, C.S. Lewis (overrated, I know, but still), Wittgenstein's writing on religion, Alvin Platinga, etc.?

Naylor's woefully underread and uneducated (and I'm not "liberal," so I ain't saying education makes you liberal), which given his preening is one of his most glaring faults to me.

He carries himself like an intellectual but has neither the patience nor experience of one.

>>14008

On the other hand, it's a webcomic mocking things. I'm fairly certain that the South Park guys don't do an extensive research on the target of their ire; they just have their target do absurd/disgusting things, and then say "You don't want to be like that guy, do you? That's DISGUSTING/ABSURD!"

>>14011
>>I'm fairly certain that the South Park guys don't do an extensive research on the target of their ire

Actually, they often do.

Among other things, their "right to die" episode was in editing up to a half hour before it went to air, as they tried to make sure it was as relevant as possible to what was going on in the Schiavo case.

>>14012

Well, a few they do, granted. The "THIS IS WHAT THEY REALLY BELIEVE" of the Scientology and Mormonism ones.

But others? The targets are depicted shitting out of their mouth. Or

>>14014

Their production schedule is probably one of the more rigorous ones on television. They try to remain relevant at all times and they do a hell of a lot of research for most of their episodes.

Some are just fun episodes with no real message, which is fine.

heh ...

Of course I chuckled at that last one. Because the obvious comeback is obvious:



Are you certain about that?

>>14016
>>Some are just fun episodes with no real message,
I preferred those, like the one where they went to that frontier village, or when they infiltrated the girl's slumber party for the cootie catcher.

>they do a hell of a lot of research for most of their episodes.

You mean like the Manbearpig episode which had nothing to do with GlobalWarming, except that it mocked Al Gore for taking it seriously? Or the Global Warming episode which just showed people overreacting but had no actual Global Warming info IN it?

>>13968
I enjoy your use of the comma ellipsis XD

so... how would naylor explain christmas? would the fisks even celebrate christmas?

>>14027
Hm, Objectivist Christmas...
I see a massive incestuous butterbean contest while the women feed the men.

>>14021
The first episode was just about making fun out al gore. the second one was a lesson in "Quit trying to find somebody to blame and fucking help the katrina victims"
>>14027
Well, selling the commercialized aspect of it, of course. It's a day to celebrate family, friends, and give gifts to show them how much you care more than a religious holiday anymore.

>>14032

true, but christmas carrols and stuff - there is so much christian tradition merged into secular christmas tradition, that even if you're not religious, then a lot of people will still sing psalms or songs that have religious origins.

in a situation like that, then a child would very much wonder why they're doing that

>>14027
Christmas at Fisk's house - 'Thank you, worthless woman, for my, new, foreskin stretcher.' (extra commas show intelligence!)

>>14027

Eh, oddly enough lots and lots of families celebrate Christmas but aren't necessarily religious, like my family. Christmas is just a really good excuse to get together, exchange gifts, and have mimosas. It's also really all about the kids. Now that my sister has two very lively young trouble makers, Christmas has been really all about watching them open gifts and have a good time.

I don't think Christ is ever mentioned when we get together for the holiday. Same with Easter. So really, I don't think they'd have to explain Christmas.

>>14028

What? No sweater hogans?

>>14011

Shit, cool yer jacks Hugh. I'm not talking about the content of the comic; I'm talking Naylor himself.

Dude's an underread asshat who pretends to have culture.

>>14056

Don't you mean overrated?

>>14049

i know, i too do christmas without any real religious interference

but what i meant is that how will naylor deal with christmas for the uber-kids? how will he make naylor and waifu explain crunkmas?

commercialism would be an easy cop-out, but the kids would not be able to not notice all the christian overtones - its stuff like that which naylor hopefully will choke on

>>14056

Oh, well, yes. He is pretentious without anything to be pretentious over.

I have an assignment to do, so I don't have time to analyze this. But I'm sure you guys are totally free, so have at it.

>>14072
Oh, I will say one thing though.

BACKGROUNDS! HONEST TO GOD BACKGROUNDS!

>>14072
Dear God. They're not beautiful, but I'll take 'em. Finally, no more Great Gray Void. At least until next week.

>>14072

You know, I know the dialogue is just an attempt to stick more Objectivist crap into the comic, but really, I don't have a problem with it. Couple that with the ACTUAL FUCKING BACKGROUNDS and...and...God, I hate saying this, but HE ACTUALLY MADE A GOOD STRIP.

God, I feel so dirty...

>>14075

I can't help but say the same. It's...it's not buried in bullshit politics or thinly veiled skewers at liberals or atheists or minorities or gays. It's honestly...pretty good philosophy all the way around.

Colour MY ass stunned.

Broken clock, twice a day.

Good Job Naylor.

>>14072

Oh, of course! Fisk ALWAYS has the right answer...

"Oh, everyone is wrong except daddy! Daddy is always right!"

Never doubt the knowledge of the Randian Man-God

>>14072

Awesome guest-strip.

Not much to complain about this time. Without the context of religion this could be a great end to an arc...but silly sad context has to butt in and remind me that never does any religion I'm aware of say you shouldn't be happy in this world, but whatever.

Guess I'll let it slide this time.

>>14072

Did Naylor really do that strip?
Seriously, did he really make that?

Backgrounds, coherent text and actual relevance to the message behind this arc. Even a good joke at the end.

Props to Naylor (or whoever did this).
That's what we want from you Jay, to do stuff like this.

The only things I can fault here are Fisk/Naylor taking a break in his light hearted family comic to dedicate quite a bit of strips to a slow moving story about religion, and that he reused the same "joke" he used about 10 strips or so ago.

This strip would be great if not for the oh--- 15 prior strips leading up to this.If anything it seems kind of out of place, something coherent, decent backgrounds and typical parent/child conversation? It's almost like he mocking us.

>>14072

Wow. It's like... the extreme laziness of his arguments against religion have become some sort of Halfass Black Hole that has sucked the lack of effort out of the rest of the comic, and caused Naylor to actually strain himself so far as drawing backgrounds.

Either that or it's just a subliminal thing about Fisk being God, because the grass and trees and whatnot didn't exist until he summoned them by name.

>>14072
Holy god, they're sitting on... On... Oh god, it's been so long I don't recognise it anymore!
And Naylor probably stole this off some kind of philosophy site, because if he made this up, he'd see what a lie his life was

really, if i were to spurr a reason for this amount of effort his putting into this. Its rather ironic the most work he's ever done likely on a comic for quite some time would be likely a better ending to this comic then some of the others he's put together.
Its not like it was going anywhere anyways and its only a matter of time before he starts insulting anouther brand of culture...
You know, next he's going to start saying why feline-Race people are better then mouse or dog's
And don't believe in all that fanasty about equaility, beacuse clearly my opinion is the only one that has and vaild reasoning to it.

One more thing...(sets the picture riiiiight where it should guuu~)
Its only a matter of time that we disover Fisk's has actually been working in a undercover division of the third rank =0!

if someone who is not familiar with objectivism were to read this comic page they would most likely agree with it

without any direct references to anything else, then what fisk says on the page is more simple realistic common sense, than anything else.

of course, us knowing the context and the horror that has been all the previous comics - then it just barely gets above horribble suck

>>14092

also, this highlights how lazy naylor is again

now we have proof he can do backgrounds - so why doesn't he do them always?

we also know that he can do dialogue that is full of narm and ham, that doesn't come off as an author rant because it fits the flow of the comic.

this means that when naylor goes back to doing shit comics our complaints will be all the more justified!

I am optimistic about the amount of progress this strip has shown.

>>14094
That's his plan. He's getting your hopes up so that he can CRUSH THEM beneath his heel later.

I'm just worried what he is going to do with Charlie.

>>14087

That's a little extreme. The only people that should be compared to Hitler are other mad murderous dictators, not comic creators.

As for the strip, I'm surprised that Naylor actually expressed his opinions without openly mocking others. That's how they should be represented if he wants people to take them seriously. Though I'm still not happy that he derailed the main plot for this almost pointless rant.

>>I'm just worried what he is going to do with Charlie.

I think it's safe to say that he completely forgotten about her.

>>14096
Send her flying off a cliff in a car with an orgasmic look on her face, like every other interesting character?

I think he's been reading this board and is making corrections in the new strips accordingly. Next up: Elizabeth having fun with the kids.

>>14102
No, that would require him to admit he was wrong about something, which goes against his almighty Randian way of thinking and living.

>>14072

Honestly, I agree with him on the point he's trying to make here. I certainly don't like any of the Objectivist implications he's trying to make, but on it's own, this strip is actually decent.

>That's a lot smarter than telling me you bought Abigail at Wal-Mart.

If that was supposed to be a brick joke, I'd say it was mildly funny. Not that it somehow makes the first time any funnier.

>>14087

He's not a Nazi. It's just that he writes any character that isn't a mouthpiece for him as a complete stereotype, presumably because writing three dimensional characters is just too hard for him. Also, it's not like he wants to destroy all the inferior races and cripples for the glory of the master race. He wants to destroy everyone who thinks differently than him for the glory of Objectivism! That's completely different.

>>14103
He would never admit it, but him saying that he 'just happened to decide to improve it' would give him an erection for feeling so clever and make fanboy readers think 'wow! This just gets better and better!' and buy more of his porn.

Jay Naylor shows, aptly, exactly why Objectivism doesn't work. Objectivism requires that all decisions you make moral or otherwise must be to maximize what benefits you the most because you are all that matters.

It's the opposite of Altruism. Both are horrible in practice.

>>14072

Wow... I can't believe I'm seeing this. A GENUINELY GOOD STRIP!! I'm still in shock about the whole thing. Sure, some previous strips have been okay, but this is propably the first strip that can be called "good" in a truly positive way. I mean, it's not great or anything; in a good webcomic, this kind of thing would be par of the course. But when you consider the average quality of Original Life, it looks like a frickin' masterpiece. This is for several reasons:

1) ACTUAL GODDAMN BACKGROUNDS! I know you have pointed this out several times, but it still blows my mind that Naylor actually spent time to draw some decent looking scenery. Again, it doesn't look fantastic, but its such a breath of fresh air to see some actual details in the background rather than the empty void that we get almost everywhere else (though its a little jarring that the third panel suddenly goes back to the void again). The rest of the artwork isn't bad either, though I have a few complaints. The feet in the first panel are once again badly drawn, with Fisk's being conveniently hidden behind his tail, and Janie's looking like pencil erasers. In the last panel, it looks like they're sitting with their legs hanging over a cliffside. So, does the road they've been running on just go straight over the edge of a cliff? Who the hell stamped or paved the road like that? And while Janie has her legs properly dangling over the edge, if you look at Fisk, one of his legs seems to just disappear straight into the earth. He looks like he's suddenly been amputated. Also, at first I thought that they were sitting by the sea, but now I think it's supposed to be a forest, but the artwork doesn't manage to make it clear and it looks much too close to Fisk and Janie rather than being in the distance. But still, its nice that he at least put in some effort to this strip; since he evidently can draw backgrounds that make the strips look better, it seems confirmed that he just doesn't do so out of laziness.

2) A positive message. While I know, like Sage pointed out >>14075, thats it's just a veiled attempt to put more Objectivism into the comic, it doesn't seem overly preachy or degrading, and actually makes an effort to promote a positive personal view rather then to mock and insult the views of others. Now granted, I do find the whole "we need to seek happiness in this world rather than the fantasy world religions claim awaits us after death" schtick kinda annoying. I hear people complaining about that all the time and yet, as I think some other poster here said whom I'm unable to find at the moment, I hardly know any religion that claims you shouldn't try to be happy in this life. Trying to have a good relationship with God while being happy with your life isn't mutually exclusive. There's also one line that kinda bothers me:

>>And I work very hard so you can have the same thing.

Apart from not naturally flowing from what he said previously, it sounds a little like guilt-tripping someone into appreciating your own view by declaring that you have me to thank for what you are! Not to mention that his "hard work" consists of being a domestic terrorist who's away from his family most of the time, so it rings kinda hollow (where does Fisk make his actual money from the job anyway? Looting the bodies of the people he kills?). But overall, the strip has a good, positive and unoffensive message, and its nice to see that in a comic that mostly just builds up unpleasant strawmen for mocking.

3) A realistic, moving father-and-daughter moment. This is the first time in the comic that we've actually seen an interaction between Fisk and his kids that seems like an actual, more or less realistic parenting moment. Where Fisk doesn't seem like a Randian Man-God with the emotional prescence of a bronze statue, but like an actual parent sharing a tender moment with his child. He doesn't give a long speech about the evils of any opposing philosophies, but simply encourages Janie to seek happiness in her life and be what she wants to be; to let her make up her own mind about what she wants to believe in. I would go so far as to call this the comic's first Crowning Moment of Heartwarming, simply because its such a huge improvement over how similar scenes have been handled before it. Its so nice to see a strip that really feels like an actual character interaction between a father and his daughter, rather than just an opportunity for soapbaxing between two one-dimensional author stand-ins. We even get a funny joke at the end.

So there you have it: I'd say this is the best strip in Original Life so far: not brilliant but much better than the vast majority we've been subjected to so far. Unfortunately, the feeling is undermined by the fact that the strips preceding it have included some of the worst moments of OL so far, and that the religion arc has stretched on for far too long, even when most arcs have just been abandoned midway through. It just feels jarring to get such a good end to a storyline that has been so awful.

Also, I don't think that this is the beginning of a positive trend for Original Life. This is the only strip that's been genuinely good so far, and one standout strip isn't really an indication that better things are on their way. In fact, I'm actually hoping that it isn't; I'm fairly certain that there is no chance that this comic will actually become good. The only thing it can lead to is that it becomes mediocre rather than bad, and then it wouldn't be nearly as funny to mock.

Well, and with this, I guess the religion arc is finally over (yeah, I know I predicted that on Monday, but if it doesn't end here, where it looks like a perfect ending for a story arc, it will destroy all goodwill this strip has managed to build up). Its been a thorougly unpleasant experience except for a strangely good ending, and I hope it takes a long time before we're subjected to more poorly made commentary of religion. I'm looking forward to having something else to write about. See you on Monday!

This is the first OL strip I've seen that I don't totally hate.

>>14108
I dunno...I liked the machine gun arm stuffed animal Bonk...

>>14110
I don't care if you're being sarcastic or even thinking of joking, get the fuck out.

Background? Moderately funny joke?

Could it be that this is actually a webcomic?

>>14072

Preachy comic is preachy. Also, way to insult every religion or belief system on the planet outside of your own of course, as fantasy. Stay classy Naylor.

>>14085

That's gotta be the funniest reply I've read. Like I said before, Jay has the ability to be a complete/full cartoonist, when he wants to be (minus his just basically insulting anyone who has a non-objective belief system that is.)

But yeah, like you said, you can't have a character talking about trees and grass if you don't draw them. Only REAL problem I actually have with there being an actual background, with not drawing a background at all previously, you actually have no idea where physically they are in context to what you'd imagine would be their home.

I mean, where do they live exactly? In a suburban neighborhood? In the woods? The background loses it's impact on the scene because you have no prior context to take it with.

>>14114
To be fair, at least he made an attempt this time. But 86 pages to do it is a bit much.

>>14116

Story telling is story telling. The background on that page could have been an outer space scene and would not have been all to disturbing since, generally previously there had been no real establishment of where the characters are. We now at least know, that the primary characters either live in a very outdoors like location, or, Fisk has traveled to some secluded woods to jog with his daughter. Of course, considering when this story point began, kids were wearing heavier clothing and the implication that it was cold outside would contradict the attire they are wearing now.

So the question would be, how much time has passed since all of this stuff started to this point (OR do they live in a warm weather area of the country)? The fact that such questions could be asked shows a simple flaw that could be corrected if backgrounds were more of a regular.

>>14072
They acknowledged their furry existence. Not something that happens often in this comic...

>>14122

Good catch. I didn't see that the first time through.

>>14072

The only problem I have with this is that Naylor is presupposing that religion and Earthly happiness cannot coexist. Like all too many atheists, he has no real argument besides a sidelong ad-hominem attack against religion in general ("fantasies that we crave") and his entire "proof" is based on the assumption that God doesn't exist (which means he's just begging the question).

Well, that didn't last.

>>14125
Wow... we went from actually quite competant to there-isn't-anything-done-here-that-isn't-total-and-utter shit really fast.

Honestly, not a single good thing I can say about this comic.

I mean, Red's hands look closer to Abe Sapien's from Hellboy than a normal otter/furry. Well, maybe I just think that because I just watched that movie again the other day, but still.

Whew! For a second there I thought maybe this comic was going to stop being utterly terrible. We dodged a major bullet there, hot damn.

Hold up, this one's better.

>>14125

What's wrong with your haaaaaaaaand?!

>>14125

....Part of me wants to know the thought process that goes through that man's head....I mean the last page was well done by his standards and then....we go back to this. Seriously?

My face is so sad by this turnaround, it really is. And sadder still when I think of what is to come, assuming he sticks to this storyline. I expect that
1) She comes on to him loads and loads and Fisk gives a lecture of some type, she 'learns her lesson' (though still thinks he's hawt even if she agrees not to pursue him any more) and we are all expected to applaud at his morality

2) He and her get it on, pornfolio results. He will still have a lecture about how this is totally ok. There may even be justification for how Liz is cool with this too, and how it is so much more logical for her to be so.

I feel so vomity.

>>14125

Motherfu-

>>14131

Anyone else initially think it was one of Janie's friends playing on a DS?

Critisim aside, im just happeh we are back to the plot. I feel like that whole session was merey some 'SORREH ITS NAYLOR FILLER MONTH =D!' So nooow we are back to the -real story- where apparently fisk is going to get raped up deh ass >>!....=()!
All I can say is 'commoooon nude beach~'

>>14131
I can't say I didn't see this coming a Mile and a half away...

>>14128
Why do I keep envisioning a "head-shot", right between the eyes?

>>14136

>>im just happeh we are back to the plo

That wasn't the original plot; Janie getting a letter from a secret admirer was. Naylor has yet again derailed his comic to stroke his ego even further. Fisk is, after all, himself. No matter what he says.

What's sad is that it took me about two or three read-throughs of the comic before I realized that they're inside the building, instead of standing on the roof. Honestly, even if he had just drawn the back of a chair behind the mouse, the setting of the comic would have been a lot clearer.
Oh, and I'm rooting for the "Fisk fucks skanky otter and then gives a big lecture about why it's okay" There's just so much more aggrevating comedy that way.

Does Bitch!Otter really have NOTHING BETTER to do then try to sleep with one guy? Every other man on the planet must think her very ugly or diseased and Fisk must be her last hope of sex before dying.

>>14140

What gives away that they're in the building? I just looked it over 5 times and can't see anything, except _maybe_ the top of the chair she's sitting in. And that's a big maybe.

<-- This makes just as much sense as the original, except that now the mouse's chair and earpiece take on a completely new meaning :)

There's nothing really in the comic to indicate that they're inside a building. I think I just started wondering where the mouses headset plugged into if they were on the roof, and then it dawned on me that they're supposed to be inside.
But yeah, with that awful grey background, they really could be anywhere.

A mental disability actually makes this character far more likeable, I think.

>>14125

How the fuck is that an otter?

>>14125
Remember when Naylor was able of drawing furs that looked like they were adults?

>>14146

nope, thats ancient history.

and god damnit naylor - now we have to hate you even more: last friday we saw that you can truly deliver, you gave us a... good comic, instead of your usual lumb of shit, but then you give us this!

>loli-looking otter wanting fisk's cock for no reason at all
-not only is this a poorly described character
-its also a very shitty setup
-why isn't the white cat warning fisk?

>loli-otter looking pants on head retarded
-oh naylor, why must adults in your comic look like stupid children?

>>14147

Even alcoholics can have what would be described as a "moment of clarity".

>>14134

I did.

Man, it looks like Red is on acid in that first pic. That is just... not a good face to be happy - she can see for miiiiles.

Also, another indication Naylor knows nothing. Bodyguard work isn't fun in the sun on the beach, regardless of your location - it's a lot of 'sitting there being bored looking for threats'. Intentionally distracting yourself with trying to get into your fellow guard's PANTS is FAIL.

Anticipate Fisk getting his Mangod on with regards to violence.

Fisk almost fuck Red but remember the warning of messing up a happy family at home...Red will get shot and confession her love to Fisk..Fisk shut her down and Red will try to commit suicide to get his dick...

Questions../Rumors
I hear Charlie is gay/
Janie's first intercourse is her cousin/
Do Fisk still fuck his sister/
Why is Elizabeth is a bitch, when Fisk is not around...
Beth is a copy of J3TFUEL's character.
Is Jay's fan is only fan of his porn or webcomic

>>14150

>Intentionally distracting yourself with trying to get into your fellow guard's PANTS is FAIL.

I think the idea was that they would do the job, and then stay in Mexico for an extra week after the job is over so as not to look suspicious.

>>14151
>Beth is a copy of J3TFUEL's character.

which one?

it just the style of the character..jay stop drawing beth after the break up with him and J3t...go looks at her work and look at his..J3T begin her webcomics before him

I been asking this question for a LONG time but i will ask again. What does this have to do with charlie and the letter?

CHARLIE is a secret lebso aka tomboy...that have a crush on janie...janie begin to think about love and religion after having a talk with her bunny friend at school

I honestly would be surprised if the letter and Charlie show up again, ever.

>>14156

You don't need to add a subject to every one of your posts, you know.

jay naylor never finish his work...ol is so out place..the only part stil going on is the homewrecker thang...my version is...red going confession fisk about her feelings..fisk going shut her down...red got off guard and warn up shot..fisk save her life and kills a couple of hynea and dogs..fisk get red some pity fuck..red warn up pregnant and wants to be happily with fisk..fisk agree to have his new family in secret..but, red grew tired and worried about fisk going off to his another family..red show up with baby in her arms for proof of being fisk's babymama to elizabeth..red and elizabeth get into a fight..the thomas pick up the gun on ground..made a mistake by shotting the baby...red warn up crazy for revenge and become a stalker/hitman..


janie begin to have strong feeling to her cousin and went to charlie for help...charlie teach janie some sexual moves for affected...plus, confession about the 2 month ago love letters..she stuck of being in love with charlie and her cousin...in the end..she warn up with the hynea boy...

thomas became bitter with his dad...

lucy will show up in the picture to comfort fisk like old times...

elizabeth will wake up from the dick spell and become bitter to fisk and the kids...try to get pay back by sleeping with a man from nightclub..and find out her new lover is hiv positive..

rachel comes back in the story to win tommy's heart..tommy find out about lucy and fisk..begin the whole wifebeater thang...
we all know ol going be a fuck up tale

>>14159

What a good story.So, you saying...Jay Naylor's webcomic is just a bunch of drama and whores..

>>14159

... What?

>>14159

Aaaaanyway...

>>14125

Aaaand we're back to the misogyny and ego-stroking that is the Red storyline.

I'm so happy that this light-hearted comic is taking plenty of time to show a strong, independent woman as structuring her life and work around trying to get the cock of the writer's married self-insert.

>>14142

You know, suddenly the fucked up morality, haphazard storytelling, everyone being horrible people, and jumping around makes sense.

If you picture this all occurring in the world of Sealab 2021, and compressed into the space of fifteen minutes, it works.

>>14167
>If you picture this all occurring in the world of Sealab 2021, and compressed into the space of fifteen minutes, it works.

Now I'm just waiting for someone to edit the end of every arc with a picture of the station exploding.

Isn't this otter chick the same person he was sleeping with before he got married? She must have become addicted to the Randian.. eugh.

>>14125

Well, at least panel one has an establishing shot (probably should have had the nifty "Meanwhile.." Box.

Nothing will come of this story though, as it's yet been shown a character of main focus can have an actual flaw, so try as she might, her feminine wilds will not sway Fisk, thus making it a bit anti-climactic (of course a SURPRISE could happen and he could sleep with her, as he's more or less done in the past since, no relationship in this comic is 100% uncheatable, but we'll have to see I suppose.

I guess the love letter was a red herring because, are these characters capable of something as abstract in logic as love?

>>14151

Beth is Lydia from BDK
http://www.badlydrawnkitties.com/new/20100322.html
Remember, she was at one point Lucy's best friend, as best as a girl who is screwing your brother when he's home but doing other guys when he's not, best friends go.

>>14125
wow, it's like if you look hard enough, you can actually see naylor's ADD manifesting itself on the page!

>>14169

The love letter wasn't so much a dangling plot point as it was a catalyst--Jay used it to launch the religion sub-arc, introduce two more characters and spend a couple pages making Angelica into a Straw Girl. It's likely that's all it -ever- was intended to be, a launch off point.

It's half red herring, half bait and switch. And all shite.

Well, there goes the quality. Bye, quality!

We'll miss you!

>>14173
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

I actually kinda like the coloring he did here.

But still: HAIREARS AND STUMPFEET.

>>14181

Oh wow,I actually really like the coloring here.

>>14181

Also, SUASAGEFINGERS!

>>14181

So...Is there a reason she's naked?

I just about to post this!

Seriously WTF Naylor, how old is she.. 14/15 and your already drawing smut of her?

$10 says he has all his chars in secret sketch porn folios.. probably involving fisk like we joke about.

This panel is too much fun. :(

>>14186

He finally gave in to his gay impulses and did a Big Gay Pornfolio, despite throwing in a chick to try and convince himself (and everyone else) it wasn't all about the cock.

So betting the eventual full-out pedofolio isn't far behind.

But anyway, this is hardly new. He's had middle-years teenagers fucking in Horklefucky Ann for awhile now. The eventual descent is more about seeing how blatant he'll get and how young he'll go.

>>14181

uggugh

face is ew, earhair is awful, stubfeet are just...no, and even though this is an action pose, it still looks really stiff to me. I'm not digging the coloring too much, either, although the shitty sketch might be throwing me off. It's just...her boobs look really shiny. Naylor needs to learn how to shade some other way than "AIRBRUSH PURPLE ON MULTIPLY LAYER"

Also why is she playing soccer naked? That seems like a really bad idea.

>>14185

Is there ever a reason? Miles-DF drew a girl rollerskating/blading naked, giant forehead and all.

>>14190

I don't get it. Random nudity just baffles me.

I wonder if Naylor has actually stopped and thought about the anatomy of his characters. If so, then why the fuck would he imagine them to have such fucked-up skeletons?

>>14125

Yeah my predicted ending to this saga-

Fisk actually fucks Red cause he's a man and that's what he does. Elizabeth somehow finds out, maybe Red tells her and then Elizabeth smacks Red across the face like what happened to Shelia back in the day. Elizabeth then goes into a depressive episode where she feels it's OBVIOUSLY her fault for not being able to keep her occasionally there husband happy.

...During that time Fisk fucks the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders.

I'll fucking bet Naylor is planning on a pornfolio starring Fisk, Elizabeth, and Red in a three-way.

I'll fucking bet.

>>14197
Sandworm POV this time

>>14197

And Lucy watches, while playing with herself.

>>14181
A bad drawing of a care bear cousin. x_x Like is he preparing to do Care Bear hentai?

i think..his next comic will be a threesome between fisk, red and elizabeth

I highly doubt it. When was the last time he did a threesome with two girls? Lance Cannon (and that just involved rimming from the other woman). He's got much more of a precedence for two dudes and a girl.

>>14125

Well, its the day after Monday's strip, so I'm a little late but here it is.

So, finally the religion arc is over, and we go back to Otter-terrorist lusting after Randian Man-God. Its nice to finally have something new to comment on, but its quite a whiplash that we go back to the shit after Friday's surprisingly good strip.

Before I comment on the story I just have to mention the artwork. Its nice indeed that we get an establishing shot of their terrorist headquarters, but that's the only good thing. The first panel is just awful; Red looks so damn scary with those giant, hungry eyes and that weird expression on her face. Also, we're back to the empty backgrounds; granted, its the inside of an office-building, so it doesn't need as much background as, say, an outdoors forest scene. But dear lord, at least have a door or a water cooler or something in the background, so it looks like an actual physical place rather than an endless, immaterial void!

As for the characters, well, this is the third strip Red has appeared in, and so far all we know of her is that she's desperate to get into Fisk's pants, even knowing full well that he's married with three kids. It doesn't exactly do wonders at making her sympathetic and relatable, if that is the authors intention. And seriously, she's been going after him for 11 damn years?! Is Fisk really that awesome that he's worth spending so much time on trying to get him into an extramarrital affair. I agree with some other commenters that it looks suspiciously much like Naylor's personal ego-stroking, since no-one except his most rabid fans think Fisk is anything but his personal Marty Stu.

And Red has managed to get a job in Mexico and is taking Fisk with her, huh? Actually, this could be a pretty interesting story-line, assuming he doesn't abandon it to lecture about global warming or something, and I'd like to see how Red's seduction attempts pan out. I think its most likely that Fisk will just hold a speech about why he's only interested in Elizabeth now, even after being the world's biggest cockhound before her. Though if he actually starts a relationship with Red it would make the comic even more hilariously awful, so I must admit I'm kinda hoping for it. I mean, if he does it will be portrayed as completely justified and Liz and her kids will of course accept it. One thing I'm kinda worried about though is how Mexico will be portrayed in the coming strips, if it ever gets that far, considering Naylor's opinion about all non-American countries.

Well, guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

>>14202

Heh, yeah, and that threesome was about "Lesbians want the cock", too.

Hm. So Naylor can get it up for two men and a woman, but if it's two women and a man, or two women, the scene has to be all about the desire for penis.

Ohoho, it's funny to watch his subconscious sneak this stuff in. It's like the biggest Naylor anti-fan of all is his own inner self, and it just keeps sending us messages.

>>14204
>>I mean, if he does it will be portrayed as completely justified and Liz and her kids will of course accept it.

Ohgod the kids.

He's going to have Red interact with the kids at some point. Oh my god oh my god oh my god.

The concept of that train wreck makes me quiver.

>>14125

NEXT STRIP PREDICTION: Despite having all the information we need to move forward, we'll still have another strip with these two talking about how Red is evil (*giggle* "But I won't tell Fisk she's planning to seduce him!" srsly, mouse lady isn't treating this as seriously as anyone else would) and blah blah. Mouse woman will sigh and tap the keyboard without making any attempt to put Red off this bullshit.

For any first timers that are interested I've condensed the current arc down to the relevant pages. The rest was unnecessary filler...

http://www.jaynaylor.com/originallife/comic/OL051.09-11-23.jpg
http://www.jaynaylor.com/originallife/comic/OL052.09-11-27.jpg
http://www.jaynaylor.com/originallife/comic/OL053.09-11-30.jpg
http://www.jaynaylor.com/originallife/comic/OL055.09-12-07.jpg
http://www.jaynaylor.com/originallife/comic/OL056.09-12-11.jpg
http://www.jaynaylor.com/originallife/comic/OL057.09-12-14.jpg
http://www.jaynaylor.com/originallife/comic/OL070.10-01-29.jpg

Wow, that was short.

>but if it's two women and a man, or two women, the scene has to be all about the desire for penis.

Not to "side with Naylor" or any BS, but I fall into this camp. Two chicks just does nothing for me. I have figured out that if there's no cock, I'm not really able to "put myself in there" I guess. The cock is facilitating the kind of sex I'm interested in.

>>14172

You know. If the whole point was to get Janie interested in religion.. That was a seriously LONG WALK for that whole plot. That's a fucking inefficient way about doing it, storywise.

>>14125

Anyone else notice that Red is so far the only character to have pads on their hands?

>>14208

NEVER Saw the one with Janie,Charlie and Angelica before-- this was an old strip?
Kind of cute until the kids get all smart-assy and looses the cute girl crushing on another girl feeling.

>>14215
The paw pads come and go for Naylor, and even did in the old days. I noticed times when characters had them, and times when they didn't, and I just assumed that he stopped using them altogether after a while, but then then just pop back up again.

Redtard is absolutely adorable. Please make this canon, Naylor.

>>14220

Somehow, out of all the edits so far, this one made me lol the hardest. Good show, ol' bean, good show.

Awwwwww, this is my favorite edit.

Elizabeth too had a retard co-worker.

HAHAHA I FORGOT ABOUT HER

>>14224
What's that thing on the middle-left panel?

>>14228

Dune-cock.

>>14159
Now taking bets on whether this is Mahrkale and she's seen Failor's "script"

>>14204

Here what is? A big long post about things we already know?

I kid, I kid. But I just didn't know there were in-demand commentators here whose lateness was something to note.

>>14227

Sorry to be ignorant, but although I feel I have seen that old man somewhere, is this from a movie or something?

>>14236
Citizen Kane

poltergeist II

I raged a little

>>14240

I dunno. If I didn't know any better, I'd say Naylor actually made a layered character.

I mean, before she was just some cheating bitch. Now she's a cheating bitch with skeletons in her closet. Not much better, but maybe the magic of OL86 is rubbing off a little bit.

>>14240

Way to keep it light and funny.

Red is easily the worst character Naylor has ever created; completely unlikeable. And this strip is completely Better Days and doesn't belong anywhere near Original Life.

Get it back on track, Jay. You were the one who said that you wanted to keep OL light and friendly. Bloody well stick to it.

>>14240

This strip shocked me. A Naylor character actually showing some kind of "morality."

As for Red...yeah...totally unlikeable.

This writing sucks. Way to be subtle, Naylor. Hasn't Naylor ever heard of "show, don't tell?" Jesus.

HEY RED NOT EVERYONES HOME LIFE SUCKS DID YOU HEAR THAT RED HAD A SHITTY CHILDHOOD HEY GUYS LOOK AT HOW DAMAGED SHE IS BECAUSE OF HER CRAPPY FAMILY

Nice build-up to that one, Naylor. GJ with those subtle hints.

Also, why should I care if Red had a shitty home life? We've seen this character like, twice before. I have no emotional investment in this character whatsoever. Also, gg making a "light and fun" comic, Naylor. Pointless drama out of nowhere. Stupid.

>>14240

It's like... he's trying to do something, but it fails because, well...

>>14241

It's not that she's a layered character. It's that Naylor is just putting her through a different set of cliches than the sitcom cliches he's been using... the Drama Episode cliches.

This is the writing of someone who doesn't understand these feelings... he's just aping what he's seen.

>>14243

Rings a bit hollow in the face of the porn he peddles, doesn't it?

Even if this were an actual moral argument, and not, again, Naylor just going through the motions of stuff he's seen on teevee.

>>14240
Rather than provide exposition for Red's background, mouse lady's comment came across as kind of a low blow. I think I'd storm out too.

>>14240
Awww...poor baby...

Okay, taking bets!
1)Daddy didn't love her
2)Daddy loved her a bit TOO much
3)Daddy left in the middle of the night
4)Didn't have a Daddy

>>14240
Shitty family life =/= excuse for being a homewrecking slut

I just realized something in Original Life that I never noticed before.

Did anyone else notice that the only child of Fisk's that is intelligent is also the one of "Jewish" features.

Har-Har nice little in joke there Naylor.

My earlier optimism of an, albeit badly, layered character was actually shattered when I realized that there are only two ways this can end.

A.) A stern talking-to from Fisk that fixes everything, including Red's emotional baggage which will then never resurface because the Randian Mangod said so.

or

B.) A stern dicking-to from fisk that fixes everything, including Red's emotional baggage which will then never resurface because the Randian Dunecock said so.

>>14240

You know this would have been a slightly interesting strip and character portrayal if it wasn't out of context for a "light hearted" story.

Tip: If you want it to be light swearing is fine on occasion but the f-bomb should be avoided unless it's used in a very humorous way.

It's strange. It's like there was so little meaning to this strip that it didn't happen at all.

>>14244

Totally this. God, Naylor is so bad at writing dialogue it's like he's never actually spoken to another person, and only knows about verbal interaction between people from watching daytime soap operas where the characters constantly say aloud what they're feeling and repeatedly explain each other's backstories for the benefit of new viewers just tuning in.

And hot damn that's some pungent melodrama. Feels like he ripped that tone straight from one of the police drama parodies on South Park.

My forehead flew into my palm so fast I think I broke my hand.

What the hell is this? This is such broken logic. Is Red retarded? What kind of person consciously projects her views of reality on the rest of the world so openly and defiantly?

Unconsciously maybe but consciously?

Red is as screwed in the head as Mitsuko from Battle Royale! So far not one single frame with her in it has shown her acting like a mature or reasonable adult. Just a stupid home wrecking bitch! Aaarrugh! Is this what Naylor had planned for her all along? All these years of her exsistance and THIS is all he has to show for it?

My God! She is the worst character ever!

Also I think Naylor misses Better Days. And I gotta admit I miss the stupid drama too. At least it was interesting. For a short time I can kinda see certain BD characteristics seeping in to OL. I wonder how long Naylor will try to hold it off.

>>14240
I facepalmed.

then I remembered that this is supposed to be "more lighthearted" or whatever bullshit.

then I lol'd.

oh, and I love how he said both fuck and shit in one strip of a supposedly family-friendly comic.

chalk up another fail for naylor.

>>14259

Naylor assumes everyone has a family similar to Al Bundy's.

>>14254
>All these years of her exsistance and THIS is all he has to show for it?

Just wait until the pornfolio, then all you'll get to see is her backside besieged by Dune-Cock.

>>14259
I find it hard to believe that Naylor thinks that this is a 'family friendly' comic when right in the page header is a shot of four women's arses in panties.

>>14263

Don't forget the ad for his adult catalog right next to the comic, and the listing for said catalog in the site menu.

>>14247
It's Naylor we're talking about, here. It could only be 2. He's done it before; molested child shags Fisk.

>>14240

*Shrugs* At least the mouse actually has some balls to tell Red what she's doing is crap. But still, the idea of 'skeletons' in a family is generally seen as a bad thing, right? So why does Red want to be one of these skeletons?

Red's line of thinking doesn't make sense - it's like she (although I think all the Original Life: No Life Consequences characters do as well) has some kind of mental disorder. I'm too lazy to pick up my psychology textbook and find out which one, but still. Bitch be crazy.

I think I understand why there's no background in the CIA building. IT's such a covert building that it blends into sheer nothingness, presumably to stop ninjas in their tracks.

More plausible reason: Naylors a lazy cunt

>>14240

Jay Naylor suffers from Premature Literary Ejaculation. Writing is like sex. Hell, most things are like sex. Gratification tends to be at its best through a drawn out process of stimulation or build up until finally you just can't hold back and you got your climax.

Rather than have Red get testy and defensive about her colleague's world view, letting us all, even if we can predict it, sit and go "wow, what's with this bitch?" he just can't help but wank all over the page when things have just started. "She had a bad childhood! OHHH!! Yeah... was it good for you?"

I suppose you could say the real tension of this arc is "well...is Fisk gonna fuck her?" Because I guess it's not a foregone conclusion, especially if it gives the Rambo cat a page to lecture in about his superior morals... and you might be right, but really the tension right now since this arc started is between these co-workers on whether it's right to pursue someone that is already engaged in a relationship with another.

Red is obviously the "whateva whateva, I do what I want" side.. and her associate is the "omg that's horrible! How could you even consider it?" side..And that's more interesting right now than whether or not Red even gets in Fisk's pants in the end, which she may not and then all that talk about cheating is meaningless.

Which would be very fitting with how this comic tends to pan out.


Anyway it's 3:30am and I can't believe I bothered.

>>14266

Agreed. I had a friend in college who was raised by a single mother. She tortured and sexually abused him, then hunted for him after he ran away from home. He was a hell of a nice guy, fun to be around, got married and is now an English teacher in Japan.

Red's got something wrong with her head. But Naylor wants us to believe that a woman who grows up without the Randian god-man will, for the rest of her life, be desperate for him the moment she gets a taste.

"He who controls the dunecock controls the universe!"

>>14269
EWWW!

I hate to say it, but the odds that Naylor will do a sex scene with Red and Fisk are very high. The odds that Elizabeth will be in there are 50/50 due to the fact that Fisk is "loyal" to his wife, so the sex scene will be either a Fantasy or a Dream.

>>14257

Was there ever a difference between this and Better Days save for he just felt like doing a 10 years later and change the title? He's given you as little information about what happened to the characters in his fast forward as he has in the comic strip current itself. Not difference.

>>14266

I find it funny that the mouse, who's working for a secret agency within the US that allows the killing of criminals without trial on American soil, has a sense of morals concerning employees personal lives. I mean, she's concerned about his children and wife, YET, they keep him away from his children and wife longer than he's actually with this children and wife.

>>14240

As much as I hate to say it, this isn't too bad. At least Naylor is trying to give Red a sympathetic motivation for what she's doing, even though I doubt he has the skill to pull it off. It's a refreshing change from all the one-dimensional strawmen who have no reason for existence other than to be pathetic and stupid. However, I can't get my mind around how her childhood and her seduction attempts are connected; did her poor upbringing cause her to hate families and now she seeks to destroy them? Sounds a little like Rachel's motivation in No Remorse. Also, since Red's lusting after Fisk is presented as a bad thing, I think it will just end with Fisk giving her a Man-God speech now.

The artwork is a mixed bag. Red looks slightly more detailed than usual and we get something that resembles actual expressions on their faces. But it's really annoying that in the first panel, the mouse (has she been given a name yet) is standing up from where she's been sitting, but there is no sight of a chair or a table; even though one of her hands is supposed to be used for support it dissapears just out of panel. Is it really that damn difficult to just draw a white rectangle to represent a table, or any indication that she's interacting with objects in the environment at all? And her face in the first and third panel almost seems photocopied from one another.

>>14274

That IS funny, but it's exactly the kind of incoherent double standard real people would employ.

Red's logic to me: "someone screwed up my family life when I was younger so now I want to be the one who screws up someone else's."

Brilliant.

Elizabeth cheated her man with FISK the mangod.

Now Red either gets a lesson on family values or a good dicking...

How Failor wanted to do it originally.

Frankly, IMO it's a positive development OL regresses into BD. Enough with boring jokes stolen from "Ozy and Millie", "Kevin and Kell" or whatever and drivel about the joys of atheism, let there be CHEATING! MURDER! !!! DRAMA !!!

>>14277

True.

>>41279
Did you make it uncensored?

>>14282
I really should proof-read who I'm replying to if I'm typing it manually. I meant >>14279.
How do I re-enable scripts? None of the click-reply things are working for me.

Let's just hope he keeps this little "arc" going. Very unlikely though since he's much more likely to sidetrack, AGAIN.

I think that Jay maybe half took onboard that he was making almost all his characters boring fucks, so he made Red a slut.

Unfortunatly, now all hope of Red being a fun character in the future is shattered and if he's going to be doing a pornfolio with her in it's not going to be good, to me at least. I will not be able to read it if I hate her fucking bitchy character.

I almost wish for another Rachel...

>>14283

Don 't recall where I got that from.

>>14283

Don 't recall where I got that from.

>>14286
>>14287

The uncensored version of that particular strip is from Naylor's sketch blog.

>>14274

The people that do bad things still think of themselves as people. Any "The guvment is going to take my guns away so I'll stockpile weapons and SHOOT ANY MOTHERFUCKER THAT COMES IN HERE" has morals. As do them suicide bombers.

The difference is: in their view, they ARE moral. They are doing the RIGHT thing. That those morals are JUSTIFIED. They are not amoral, not CARING. Naylor has the opinion that Fisk is a PATRIOT, not a horrible fucking monster.

The fact that he's turning Red into a horrible, flat caricature actually makes me kinda like her. I'm sympathetic towards her because I want to see her destroy Fisk's family.

With that in mind, I improved the dialog.

Did Naylor ACTUALLY say "Family Friendly"?

Otherwise, folks are confusing "Light hearted" with "Clean and wholesome". Light hearted to me just means that the comic won't take itself seriously and won't focus on DRAMA. It would be a joke comic and a fairly Sitcommy like webcomic, as oppose to Soap Opera-y like BD.

>>14240

Face in second panel creeps me out. Nice touch with the crappily drawn anime breath-effect, Naylor.

Also, apparently having a "shitty life" = fuck a married man after taking him awsy from his wife.

10 months ago, Naylor wrote the following in his journal about Original Life...

>>in future pages, and trying to do a better job establishing setting and scenery

Since strip 50, only 7 out of the 38 strips have anything coming close to backgrounds. Way to go.

And on another note, how the Hell did we get here from Janie receiving a secret letter? I know real life doesn't have beginnings and ends, but that's why we watch TV and read. We like to see coherent plots with beginnings, middles and ends. Naylor has started so many plots this chapter that he's actually forgotten some of them.

>>14298
Wow. So much better.
And it's not up to the cliff edge of that horrible Bold and the Beautiful dramatics.

>>14298

Much better then the original and makes tons more sense.

>>14310

And on another note, how the Hell did we get here from Janie receiving a secret letter?

Much like the argument between Liz and her mother, Charlie's apparent attraction to Miko, Miko herself (that was last September, and she's since been in one panel), Angelica's global warming walk, and the gymnastics meet we saw for two whole pages, the letter was (likely) never intended to be explained or expanded upon--it was a catalyst for other "greater" plot points.

Elabourating: without the argument, Liz wouldn't have had a painfully obvious reason to bring up religion with Fisk at the convenient gymnastics meet, where Janie was in the spotlight. Without the letter, Janie wouldn't have the conversation with Charlie and Angelica, which led to Angelica trying to "open Janie's mind" and Janie dismissing it as batshit crazy moonspeakings, then dismissing Christianity in her conversation with Samantha and Stacy; that dovetailed about as gracefully as a quadriplegic ballet dancer to the walk with her father.

Naylor does not seem to have any skill at establishing plot. He brings elements in and out so fast his text editor is probably screaming "rape". The Original Life Mantra should really be "expect nothing from things that seem important, and you shall receive it in abundance".

>>14325

>>-it was a catalyst for other "greater" plot points.

Wow, really? That's just really horrible writing. Secondary plots are called that because they come second. The primary plot should be detailed first, then the other plots branch off from that, but should still relate; like the branches of a tree. Naylor's 'tree' is growing in reverse. Even still, the primary plot should not be forgotten and should be the main focus of the story throughout. I can see why some people call him Failor. His writing style is atrocious.

Obligatory.

>>14240

I just stopped by to read this thread today, but did anyone else notice that the mouse's head is copy pasted from the first panel into the third panel?

>>14338

Yeah, I did; I mentioned something about it in my post. I don't think they're actually photocopied though. The hair looks slightly different and the eyes seem a little...

Now that I look at it again, yeah, it might very well be copy pasted.

>>14240
The white mouse-cat-thing girl is by far the most likable character in any of Jay's comics.

>>14338
Naylor does that a lot

Anyways I think it will end by Fisk talking to Red that she should start looking at herself and start loving herself and then start looking for a man to tell her what she should do.

Even though she's a complete slag, Red has very cute hair. Shame she's a bitch.