OH NOES A RIDICULOUSLY MODEST AND CHILD-APPROPRIATE TWO-PIECE!

Still, Elizabeth is right to be cautious. We all know that such attire, coupled with being a blood relation, would drive Fisk mad with lust.

Why is she so angry?!

It instantly caught my eye that the sign in the background of the first panel is in both English and Spanish. I'm not really sure how to feel about it. On the one hand, it appears Naylor actually put some effort into a background (for a single panel, at least); on the other, the fact that he felt it necessary to include Spanish signage gives me a bad feeling about where this is going.

>>8005

Oh come on, Naylor, she's 10. Do you really need to be doing those jokes now?

...Uhm. Quick question.

What's the difference between the two piece bathing suit and what that white cat is wearing now? Other than maybe an inch or two of fabric.

Usually mothers don't want their children to show off their stomachs, but that's clearly not the case.

And the bottom of a bathing suit is usually the typical v-shape.

If the girl's too tall, then make her wear some damn board shorts or something with a two-piece top.

Why the FUCK is Elizabeth so ANGRY? XD

>>8010

'Certainly.'

>>8008 >>8011
Were this a well-written comic, she would be angry because she's still annoyed with Fisk for how he acted in the previous comic.

Since this is written by Naylor, however, he probably just screwed up the facial expressions, seeing as how he's so unaccustomed to drawing them.

>>8006
But it's so exploitable! Especially panel 2. Come on, anons, I know you can do *something* with this. :-)

I thought this page was cute actually. Dangit. It's such a whiplash from the previous page. I can't say anything bad about it.

Oh, I get it. Nice one, Jay.

He's leading us up to the religious conflict by saying Elizabeth's old-fashioned values regarding clothes is ridiculous and silly.

At least, that's what I hope he's doing. If not, than he's just his usual dumb self trying and failing to make a joke.

>>8009

Well, to be fair plenty of establishments in the southern US have been putting signs up in both English and Spanish for some time now. Heck, at work our 'advantages of shopping at Lowes' sign comes in English and Spanish, and it's a HUGE sign.

>>8019
>> Elizabeth's old-fashioned values regarding clothes

I don't think so

anyway, I'm torn - the joke at then end is kinda okay - I chuckled, it's not super hilarious but the timing is good and the expressions are pretty okay. However, second panel is...uh, I dunno. It looks like she's pissed at Janie for having a long torso or something. Liz better watch out, Janie is at the right age to start becoming self conscious about her body. A facetious comment made by her mother can quickly turn into "LOOK AT YOU, JANIE, YOU'RE AN UGLY PIECE OF SHIT AND NOBODY WILL EVER LOVE YOU" in the mind of a young girl.

I'm over analyzing, but...idk. The dialogue sounded mom-like but unnecessarily harsh at the same time. Like Liz is telling her daughter that she is growing "wrong," or something.

This comic doesn't really bother me that much. I actually chuckled at the end, largely because it reminds me of my own sisters.

As to why Elizabeth looks so angry in the end, I'd extrapolate, based on my own experience seeing my sisters grow up, that this probably isn't the first time she has said no to that kind of swimwear and is tired of repeating herself.

Yeah, it's popular among younger people lately to have a "who gives a shit" attitude, but many parents still do and would just assume their young kids wear overly revealing clothing. I agree it's somewhat hypocritical that she can wear a tank-top but not a two-piece, but I suppose there is a difference between a bikini and a tank-top and shorts.

And for a change I actually like how he drew this comic. There's some background and the second panel is cute.

A particularly witty or original joke? Maybe not, but I don't think it's just "another shitty joke".

>>8024

Doh. That should have been: "would just assume their young kids DON'T wear overly revealing clothing"

(I'd probably prefer not knowing what Freud would say about /that/...)

I got the feeling Elizabeth is still somewhat upset at the whole conversation she recently had with Fisk regarding the visit. I mean, they're at the store and getting swimsuits so its obvious they are going down to see Lucy but I would gather that the Fisk has spoken and there is no plans on going to see her family. So she's probably being a bit snippy and its reflecting into her parenting.

Which, to be fair, does happen when one is a parent so I'm willing to let that fly. Bad moods do happen in life and not everyone gets to handle them with grace and dignity.

That said, I know a few parents who will not permit their daughters to wear two-piece swimsuits until a certain age because they feel it is trashy and/or are paranoid about creepy child predators snapping photos of their kids at the beach.

Elizabeth must have back problems from leaning in sideways in all those panels.

Something tells me this could make an awesome reaction pic with some shooping.

Also, is Original Life separated into chapters like Better Days? If it is, are we still on the first?

>>8022

Let me tell you. Mothers who do things in their youth are even MORE hyper-vigilant towards their children. Because they "don't want their kids to turn out like they did/make the same mistakes". Or, more simply, they know what kids do and don't want their kids doing that too, because the kids are THEIR kids.

Can we get an "Oh Balls"?

i really hope he does'nt make any of his characters wearing two-pieces. it will just remind me that the last time i saw him do a good pic of a character in a bikini was that on pc of lucy about halfway through better days. you know when she did'nt look like a mickey mouse character, and was'nt a complete and total bitch. it will only remind me of how much his work has degraded over the years

sorry, that should say "that one picture" instead of that on pc.

>>8021

I think his point was that for someone who almost never draws backgrounds, period (and did so only in a single panel here, probably to establish they're not just digging stuff out of their closets), to include that level of detail means that Jay might be setting up for an "Oh those wacky Mexicans" joke.

Or he may not. It is kind of odd, though. If he were just trying to actually draw more and more detailed backgrounds, it seems odd he'd give them a single panel in a world of physical things before casting them back into limbo.

>>8024

But... the swimsuit isn't overly revealing. I mean, you can see the swimsuit she's holding, right? It's a little girl swimsuit, just in two pieces. She isn't exactly holding a frikkin' string bikini, there.

>>8045

I've seen a few artists do that kind of thing with the magical disapeering background. Usually it is meant to be an establishing shot. Sort of like "Ok. We are now in the den. Notice the den details? Good. Now we proceed with talking torsos in the blank space beyond. Ok. Now we are in a department store. Note its a department store. Now we proceed to limbo since the location has been confirmed."

In panels where it is a closeup of a single characters face, it is easier to get away with that trick, but yeah. Panels 2 and 4 would have worked better if there was some environmental elements.

>>8046

... Are you, um... new to Naylor?

I know his art's been getting worse but, the size of the character's eyes is starting to worry me.
It's like their eyes are starting an invasion of the face.

...She's wearing a two piece now. Every time we see this kid she has on a belly shirt.

>>8047
I wish I was. It would be a lot less painful. In your previous post you mentioned how it seemed odd that he was doing a detailed background before the characters go into limbo. I was just mentioning that it was a trend one can find in a lot of comics if one looks and the possible reason why he might be doing that. Key difference being that most other comics know how to pace and layout better so it isn't as blatent.

You know what bothers me about that bikini she's holding?


How the hell could she actually wear it. Look at the size of what appears to be the top in conjunction fo her torso. How is she even supposed to get that over her big ass head? Come on JAY. Proportions!

>>8051

Propo-what? Prostitutions? That's what he plans on doing with Janie. And what's this about proportions? Jay has no time to deal with stuff like that.

You know, I do appreciate (slightly) when Naylor does backgrounds, but sometimes they just give me a headache to look at. He needs to use some proper lineweights. Also, did anyone but me thinks the small one looks incredibly spooked in the first panel?

>>8058

>Something is freaking wrong with us if our life cycles have changed this much in the course of 2 generations.

Its called hormones and additives in our food. These tend to warp the body and bring puberty on faster. We are also getting more vitamins and such making us healthier. This is why steroids and growth hormones are banned in sports kids.

>Science!

We are eating better/and worse in the last several generations than people have ever in the history of forever.

>I said science again!

>>8046
I agree with what you said here. The big difference here is page real estate.

For an example of doing it right, check out two well done strips, Narbonic (narbonic.com) and Skin Horse (skin-horse.com) by Shaenon Garrity. The technique is the same as in Jay's strips; usually the first panel has an establishing background, and the rest have none to minimal. This is just like what Jay does.

The big difference, as I said, is page real estate. Shaenon's strips stick to a classic 4 panel, linear format, so there's not a whole lot of room to work with. You could fit 3 of her comics in the space that Jay uses for 1. The fact that Jay pisses away that available area on so much dead space is what readers here hate so much.

He has the working space of a full size comic book, but only the detail level of a 4 panel strip.

"Here's a schematic for ya: My ass!"

sadly i dont like it all that much when naylor actually uses backgrounds. i mean, its still a nice thing to see becuase nobody wants to see characters portrayed as existing in a empty viod. but naylors not all that good at drawing them(perhaps if he spent less time drawing ass, tits, and giant cock and practiced drawing something else.. for once....)but really, he has to be aware of the fact that his backgrounds suck. thats probably why he never draws them that much, so why does'nt he get a artist to work on them. surely one of his friends must be able to draw halfway decent backgrounds. and while he's at it he should get a fucking writer.

I find the key to backgrounds is consistency. Which is why when Naylor did attempt backgrounds back in his earlier stuff it worked better than now.

The one I am posting as example. Now it isn't the most amazing background in the history of backgrounds, but it works well with the page. The character is interacting with it and not just floating over it.

The most recent Original Life background is just a set of lines with no shading, where as the characters themselves are shaded and have different hues. This causes the background to look more out of place because it looks inconsistent to the characters. Like it was an afterthought.

And as >>8061 said, its about page real estate. Naylor has full pages to work with, but is drawing as if he's doing a 4 panel side scroll strip. You would think after years of doing full page comics, he would have figured out some trick to page layouts.

>>8068
>>You would think after years of doing full page comics, he would have figured out some trick to page layouts.

He did. His trick is "Develop a really stupid, really loyal audience, and call everyone who criticizes you a lesser being."

>>8011

>what that white cat is wearing now

Holy shit, that is a cat. I thought she was just a mini-Elizabeth.

>>8070
That's our Naylor!

*cheesy music*

>>8068

Unrelated note, but is it me, or does Sheila look like a squirrel in this? Especially panel 2.

>>8068

Like this?

>>8078

I'm not being serious here, but, what if the panel layout spell out letters, and when you put them together, it's a subliminal message?

>>8080
Then I'm going to be needing a lot more tinfoil.

>>8080

It'd be a clever mechanic if it worked right.

Fuck Jay and Silent Naylor. Fuck them up their stupid asses.

>>8085

oh no you did not do that

jay and silent bob are saints compared to naylor

they would catch him, and then make him eat their shit, and then they would eat that shit, and shit it out again and make him eat his own shit made of their shit!

fuck i need a mooby

The Department Store Chronicles continue...still...for some reason.

>>8105

So she goes from angrier than a hornet's nest to happy and calm?

Godfuckingdammit, Naylor.

>>8105

Looks like Fisk is sharing our enthusiasm. Thomas too. The apple really doesn't fall that far, does it?

Also, WTF Elizabeth? Can't you just say "no" and leave it at that? Always having to defer to Fisk for any decisions, be it clothing or discipline.

>>8105
"swim-trunk-like"? What kind of dialogue is that?!?!
Ahem...
"How about these, dad?"
"<insert witty remark here>"

>>8105

Not rage-worthy. I think we should hold back for the pages that really are despicable.

>>8107

To be fair, the phrase "We'll see what your father has to say about that!" is pretty much a staple, at least in most Western cultures.

And hey, when your father is God, what He says really is the final word in the matter.

A more realistic conversation. Though I did enjoy Elizabeth's response in the first panel. Still, I can't actually see her saying that.

>>8111

I do like that last bit you put in there. I remember those shopping trips as a kid and you always wanted the cool looking shorts, not just plain ones. Usually the more violent the cooler, like flaming skulls. :)

But yeah, I don't mind the little cliche in this submission. Male shopping really is just that simple. If it fits, it's a successful purchase.

So those two lines in the last panel are supposed to be the . . . . what?

>>8105

And yet again, it's driven home that Elizabeth has absolutely no power in this relationship. She has only the most rudimentary of decision-making leeway, while knowing and accepting that at any time Fisk can step in and override her at his leisure.

The really sad thing is that Naylor apparently thinks this sort of thing is what a "healthy, normal" family is like.

>>8118
This sounds vaguely familiar..

"brilliantly awesome"?
and to think i used to like elisabeth too.

>>8119

Shaddup, bitch, and get me another beer.

>>8111
Much better, you should have Naylor hire you to write the damn thing from now on.

>>8122

I've found this a major failing with a lot of artists.

The prevailing opinion is that writing is "easy", and that decent writers are a "dime a dozen". I've actually been told stuff like this by independent comics publishers... essentially, that since semi-decent artists are a bit harder to come by, writers don't really matter at all and you may as well just let the artist do the writing as well. And because they're not writers, most artists think their writing is tres awesome anyway, the flaws of which become immediately apparent if you ever see these same people try to just write stories without all the purdy pitchers.

Of course, Naylor would also never let someone else write because 1) he has to be in control of everything and 2) he couldn't trust anyone else to convey his fucked-up philosophy "properly".

>>8123

I've noticed this as well among artists. But not all are like this. Some are actually pretty damn good at writing, but that's usually because they were writers first and artists second. And even than, there is room for error and repetition.

You're spot on about Naylor. In fact, I think someone actually asked him why he didn't hire a writer, and he just said it wouldn't work - only he could put down on paper what he wanted to say, no one else would understand him.

>>8123

I agree. Dialog isn't something you can pull out of your ass. Effective writing, especially with characters, requires a writer to be able to communicate like those characters.

How do people actually converse? Is that something that character would actually say? Do they even use that slang anymore?

Writing is a generally under appreciated art form.

>>8125

This is all true. In Naylor's case, however, this is all null and void. It's a perfect world, were Jay taking the place of Fisk. The woman belittles the children, but the Man-God overrules. Children speaking and thinking in ways no child really would without gaining "special attention" from a mental doctor. A world where it's fine to steal a Jew from her husband and have no reprocussions result.

>>8126

A world where having sex helps you determine whether or not you need religion/spirituality in your life.

A world where all fat women are bitches and don't deserve true happiness (but do deserve to get cheated on by their boyfriends).

A world where a group of former American military operatives act outside of the law by travelling to foreign countries and assassinating political enemies for "the good of America", all without facing any sort of repercussions and without any sort of governmental oversight.

>>8127

A world where you get balled by Fisk

A world where you live solely for a terrorist's pleasure

A world where you get uglier the more Jay draws you

A world where time dose not exist

A world where anything is possible but nothing exciting ever happens

A world where Objectivism is law

A world where monologue makes right.

>>8105

Actually that bottom conversation sounds like things my brother and I would say. Though more in response to our Mom than our Dad. A typical response to "how was school" was "schoolish." That was more just because it irked her, though.

>>8128

A world you may not understand.

Though to be fair, I don't think any of us here (fully) understand the world in which Naylor/Fisk/Randian ManGod resides in, which is part of the reason why /fisk/ exists. :U

a world where OH BALLS

>>8141
/grenade

>>8142

A world without consequences.

So what the heck happens when the kids get in trouble while Fisk is away? Does she just write what they did wrong on a sticky note and paste it on the fridge so Fisk can take care of it when he gets back?

>>8144

My babysitter used to do that. It was fun drawing on the sticky note when she wasn't looking.

>>8144
Judging by tomas's initial reaction when he was being reprimanded, she probably does nothing besides a stern talking to and a time out.

http://www.break.com/index/little-kid-at-a-shooting-range.html I wonder if this is what Fisk will have his kids doing.

I'm terrified and impressed at the same time.

>>8150
What we'd need to follow up with that is a repeat of the incident at the firing range where the kid using an Uzi under trained supervision still managed to waste himself.

http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Boy-shoots-himself-with-Uzi-dies/1225073969.html

Or rather that's what we'd LIKE to see happen in this comic.

>>8150

Nothing wrong with it as long as it's applied in the appropriate context for the story, which it wouldn't be in Original Life.

*canned audience laughter*

>>8165
At least the expression on Thomas' face is somewhat amusing.

>>8165
What? a scene change? We never found out about the two peice! Why couldn't we have spent 5 more comics looking for a perfect swimsuit? Thomas got about 10 pages learning to be a man and being congratulated by his father for maiming a child!

Oh right...that would star a woman, and Jay can spend thirty page's on a guy's storyline and forgets about women.

HEY! JAY'S NEW GIRLFRIEND! YOU READING THIS? HE WILL DROP YOU LIKE A POORLY PLANNED STORYLINE!

>>8165

I...okay. What the fuck is happening? Are they going home after shopping? Going to Elizabeth's family? The beach? What?! UGH, once again Jay proves he couldn't write his way out of a paper bag.

Crappy story aside, I just can't believe the art in the last panel. They all look legless. Thomas appears to be trying too hard to look cool (he looks mentally retarded). And what's-her-name to his right seriously looks 5 years old, if not younger. Jay's art skills, ladies and gentlemen, are devolving right before your eyes!

>>They all look legless

I meant to say footless.

>>8165

Is that supposed to be a punchline?

Now, see, Jay, you need to learn some of the nuances of the jokes you're ripping off from sitcoms. That particular variety of joke you used is what we'll call "aimed humor", for lack of a better term. (Please, no one go looking up and posting the TV Tropes version, it's as unnecessary as this comic is.)

What this means is that the joke is aimed at a certain segment of the audience. On a prime-time sitcom that will eventually syndicate in the afternoons, aiming a joke at parents of fairly young children is a safe bet. No one would really laugh at the joke unless they had themselves experienced the constant rambunctiousness of young children, unless they were caught up in the conditioned response of the laugh track.

Your audience? Not full of parents, bucko.

And if it is, someone should call CPS on them, you incest fetishist fuck.

Why don't the kids ever have shoes on? They've maybe had some once or twice at the most.

Snort. Ok.. I laughed at that.

>>8171

Jay wants to show off his inability to draw chibi feet.

I come home from camp to this? Here's hoping this turns into THE HILLS HAVE EYES remake.

>>8170


I have NO grief with its page. It's moving the story along and that's all I care to see.

Seconded on the footless legs.. that's just.. creepy.

>Your audience? Not full of parents, bucko.

It worked okay for me, since I have plenty of siblings. What bugs me is that Naylor is trying to paint their family with so few strokes that every stroke becomes broad as fuck.

"Children argue and irritate their parents during car trips." Good point, Jay, now please show us how these particular children cause trouble, and how Fisk/Liz respond, so that we can get to know your characters.

>>8173
It's funny because he almost never showed feet in BD, and that's back when he drew them a lot better than now

NAYLOR!!!

are they driving on the wrong side of the road???

Anyone else curious how Elizabeth expects Fisk to look at silence.

>>8165

Okay, this is one instance where failure to pay attention to detail actually puts one of his characters in danger: Abby doesn't appear to be wearing a seatbelt.

By the way, anyone who doesn't see the punchline here probably hasn't been seated near a loud, whiny, annoying child in a plane/bus/theater/train/etc.

I'm personally sort of amazed at the $$$ Fisk and Elizabeth have apparently shelled out for the kids' gadgets.

>>8171

You know, that would be a way for Naylor to get around his inability to draw feet.

>>8171

Sir, sir.

You're asking for logic on the Internet...

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed Abgail is sitting there without any seat belt.

>>8185
Eh. It could just be waist-belts on the 3-seater.

The worst part here is that Janie, at least, had shoes on /in the store/. Do they take their shoes off when they get in the car or something?

>>8187

Quite possibly. Kids do tend to take their shoes off on long car trips.

>>8187

Agreed, I did that a lot when I was younger.

>>8184

>>8190
Yeah now that I think of it all of those kids should still be in their toddler car seats. Especially Abigail. But she isn't strapped in at all!

As someone who hates children and their noise, I found the punchline rather nice.

>>8165

And I thought highways had median strips...

Y'know, I just realized that I was never able to amuse myself with electronics in the car like that, it always made me carsick just trying it. Makes it just a little strange to see any depiction of these kids doing it without any trouble. Am I a unique case, here?

The sound of click, click, click, clickclick, takkity, takkity, takkity, pop, click click, takkity, takkity, clickclick pop, *obscure buzz of music turned on too loud*?

>>8200
Nah, Happens to some people, doesn't happen to others.

>>8198

Looks like the road they're on is a one-way. Probably the other direction has a median or is split funnily. The "median" may very well be a few hundred feet or a treeline or something.

/went on an 18 hour car trip two weeks ago.

>>8200

It's you. I've heard of people who can't read in the car, as it will make them sick. Me, I think I've never been car sick.

>>8182

No, standard stuff nowadays. A laptop is considered almost mandatory equipment for grade schoolers and MP3 players and PSPs are common place too.

My only gripe with this comic is the lack of a seat belt on Abby. Or maybe if the car were to hit a tree or something her martial arts would kick in and she'd punch the windshield out and save everyone before the car comes to a stop, or something like that.

>>8206

Such is the consumerist ideals these days. I didn't have a laptop until 5 years ago, and my own PC until I graduated high school.

>>8165
I find this highly inaccurate. the PSP doesn't have any games. and the battery life is such that you can't spend any time on it at all.

>>8208
Screw you, Patapon is fun.

>>8208

I dunno.. I liked Crisis Core..and Dissidia comes out next week.

>>8111

FUNGI!

>>8208
3/10

Considered raging.

>>8165
My only problem with this is that not all little girls or, lacking that, small women sit in seats like that. Other than this, I have no real qualms about this that won't be put down by Rags incessant logic.

>>8200
>>8209

I didn't get the big deal with this comic. Then someone pointed out just how damn angry Elizabeth looks in the last panel. It was at that point that I found I could no longer look upon this comic with a straight face.

Has anyone noticed that Fisk has turned into a complete non-character?

>>8219

I wish that was the case for all the characters.

>>8219

You say that as if he ever was a character.

He's always just stood there making Non Expression Face. Once he threw a grenade.

>>8221
I... I think he cried... Like once, maybe.

When he was young, Fisk was a character. Somewhat stoic and reserved, but some people are in fact stoic and reserved.

I'm feeling generous, so I'll say he died as a character the same time he became a terrorist-spook.

So there were going to Florida. Huh.

Fisk made a bit of a different face for once. Also IS JANIE FUCKING 3 NOW!?

>>8282

Janie looks like the kid from Family Circus.

>>8282
Jesus, it's just Florida, it's not like it's California. She'll change her tune when they drive by the old folks.

>>8282

Not a lot to talk about here. Although, considering Clearwater Florida is basically Scientology town, U.S.A., I did have fun entertaining the idea of Fisk headin' on down and going on a grenade-lobbing rampage.

>>8282

Three and likes to stare at girls in bikinis, I guess?

Just kind of lame strip all over, doesn't even manage to offend in interesting ways.

>>8282
ELIZABETH JUST ASSERTED SOME AUTHORITY IN HER MARRIAGE TO FISK OH MY GOD!

>>8283
I'd ask "Which one?" but I don't think it really matters.

>>8288
And for the first time ever Elizabeth makes a choice.

I want Janie to marry a fat guy now. The irony.

I'm pretty sure that falls under "banter", not assertiveness, but eh.

needs an "oh balls" moment between panel 4 and 5

>>8296

Yeah, could you imagine if Jewish people moved to Florida?

>>8296
>Shut the FUCK up, Janie!

I lol'ed. :) Good job!

>>8282
and dead-eyed elizabeth makes a return.

>>8282

Florida isn't known for its surfing.

>>8308
and?

>>8311

You don't make a point to bring up features of a new location you're setting your comic in that don't quite qualify as features.

No one thinks Florida when someone says "oh look a surf shop!"

>>8325
remember, this is naylor. it isn't supposed to make sense.

>>8325

Well, to be fair, she's a little girl. All beachside accessory shops may be 'surf shops' to her.

>>8327

I'm not questioning the character, I'm questioning the artist, which I know is fairly redundant since it's Naylor.

>>8345

I know, I think he's a shitty writer as well, but at least this time you could actually lay the blame on the character acting properly.

Well, at least until she starts randomly yammering out some passage from Atlas Shrugged.

>>8325

Yea, but you should never assume anything about florida follows logical sense. We have a Ron Jon miles from any beach when the coast is never really that far away. Not to mention waterparks with wavepools for artificail surfing. Finally, surfers are pretty wered themselves, if they're willing to surf during a hurricane, I'm sure they're willing to try surfing even lame waves.

That being said I can't say for sure about surf shops on the beach, because I'm not a surfer and don't care about that sort of thing so never really looked.

As to the pretty people, that so fits South Beach it's not even funny. So Naylor might have actually got something right for once. It's probably just pure luck though.

>>8389

There's surfing in every state that has a coast. It's not that there isn't surfing in Florida, it's that it's not something brought up in the same breath as the space center and beautiful people. Just isn't. Beaches, sure, but surfing, not really.

To belabor my point, there are plenty of hockey fans in Arizona, but when you talk about going to Arizona, the conversation doesn't go "Lets see the Grand Canyon! Oh look! That's where the Phoenix Coyotes play! Lets go see a hockey game."

>>8433

Scuba? Sure. Fishing? Yes. Waverunners/Jetski's are big. I've lived in Florida roughly my whole life and the only time you get surf is during a hurricane and the killy-wind thing kind of over rides any chance of surfing.

Naylor has obviously never been to Florida. And... judging from his judgment of beach people, he has never seen a Florida beach.

>>8433
>there are plenty of hockey fans in Arizona
That's what I keep saying but no one believes me!

>>8446

He has been to Florida, I've seen the bastard with my own eyes unfortunately(and to this day still have to resist the urge to vomit each time I think about it). But judging by how pasty pale he is, he definitely never hits the beach or has surfed at all.

I hope I'm not too late to join this party.

>>8505

Dammit, it's 'OH BALLS!,' then crash.

>>8451

LOL Probably a bad example given the financial distress of the team.

>>8506
OH IF WE MUST BE PICKY

>:(

Better late than never, I suppose.

>>8519
>This is my impression of Abby when she sees a hot guy

Should be "This is my impression of Abby when she sees a hot plush" to fit with canon.

>>8529

Great point! :)

>>8308

He brought up surfing because the town he and I lived in was once a major surfing hub... in Florida. Thus why he also plugged the Space Centre. Same area.

>>10967 YOu are just a well of useful information and back story 411, never leave.

So as FA is back up, you are so watched.

>>10986

yay FA is back! XD

>>10967

i am curious to what else you might be comfortable telling us?

>>11073

Such as?

>>11075

Is he out and out bisexual or does he 'maaaaaybe~'?
Does he talk about Mat Sherer or any of his former ex's?

>>11077

As far as I know, his bi-ness is on the back burner.

And the only ex he's ever mentioned was some chick also here in Florida. He liked to bitch about how she wanted him to move in with her and her family.

>>11091

>>He liked to bitch about how she wanted him to move in with her and her family.

So, it's cool when you move in with him, but not the other way around?

>>11094

Nah mostly he was not too thrilled about living with her folks. No privacy, blah blah blah...

>>11096

Understandable, i guess.

>>11091

Was this the ex that took his PSP and left him for a military guy?

>>11104

Never heard anything about a military guy. And unless he has PSPs hoarded in his closet... I have his, because he gave it to me.

>>11106

>>And unless he has PSPs hoarded in his closet... I have his, because he gave it to me.

Oh, so your that ex-girlfriend.

>>11107

Well no, not THAT ex, since a) I didn't take anything, b) there was no leaving for a military guy, and c) I never asked him to move in with my family.

>>11110

fair enough - any other dirt on naylor you could tell us?

did he ever express anything towards his possible...

A) dislike of his mother (how did he generally feel about his family?)

B) did he ever express any fetishes? (i'm ruling his foreskin thing not as much fetish as just... freaky)

C) did he ever talk about his comic work with you?

>>11124

A) he actually seemed rather ok with his family. Not super tight, but still involved with and cares for.

B) No actually. I was definitely more the fetish-y one, but he's actually very vanilla.

C) to an extent. Most of it was just about how important it is. He'd show me How To's a bit, and some times I'd watch him work. Rarely though. He became very reclusive about working after a while.

>>11138

that surprises me a bit

and then again it kinda doesn't

it was theorized in another thread that naylor had some kind of pent up dislike of women, possible stemming from his mother seeing as how he treated fisk's mother (lol freud)

then again - if he's that vanilla IRL... then all his fetish art (all the watersports stuff he used to do, plus the odd stuff with it he does now, as well as the 'artistic focus' on huge dongs) could simply be a case of "i'm on the internet and i can do anything here"

but with naylor, you never know :p

and how was his comic work important? this sounds interesting - you mean to say that he really wanted to use it as a political statement or something?