>>feel free to ask questions

Why are the humans in 40k such douche bags?

>>768

'Cause everybody in 40k is a douchebag.

I don't even play it or follow it that much and even I know that.

>>769
This pretty much.

It's important to remember that one of the big reasons why humanity hates xenos is because during the Long Night/Age of Strife (the time when the galaxy was full of warp storms and humans couldn't really communicate or do much to help each other), a rather large portion of human civilizations were destroyed, conquered or enslaved by various xenos species.

If you mean why are they such jerks to each other.. Life is very cheap in the 41st millenium and some things, such as psykers, can cause rather large problems for the Imperium as a whole. If you left psykers alone, even a weak psyker (who are usually just fed to the Immortal God-Emperor or killed) can end up being the doom of an entire planet and even plunge an otherwise stable sector of space into war.

So I heard that after the Eye of Terror campaign, Abbadon got kicked of Cadia by the Imperial Navy, is that right?

>>773
IIRC, Cadia ended in a stalemate, with the fluff stating that fighting is still going on there pretty hardcore. However, the Imperial Navy did kick ass and has pretty much managed to keep the other battlezones/worlds that were attacked cut off from their supporting fleets. I've heard that the Eye of Terror campaign ended with the planets that were fought over either being wrecked, taken over or currently in a desperate battle, but the Navy managed to hold out and have managed to at least keep Chaos from spreading further beyond the current battlelines.

indeed

this is what makes 40K so grimdark

you can never win - but you must fight. you must throw your life into the breach, just to maintain the status quo

it doesn't matter if that means you get torn to shreds, or slowly mutated due to exposure to corrupting energies. you must fight. when you can fight no more your body will be processed into corpse starch to feed more troops

this is the 41st millenium, and there is only war

>>775
I know Chaos got most of Cadia at the end of the campaign(that's how Eldrad Ulthuan died), but they were unable to consolidate on their early victories. From what I remember, Chaos managed to keep the worlds they had taken, but somebody said that the Imperial Navy booted him off Cadia and back into the Eye. The Iron Hands as well as the Eldar were victorious if I remember. I thought it would suck if GW just deus ex machina'd the whole campaign back into the status quo.

A friend of mine did some write-faggotry involving an Ogryn named Gav, apparantley they made /tg/ weep.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8382189/ Part 1 (down the page a ways)
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8428449/ Part 3 (Part 2 is missing ATM)
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8500900/ Part 3

>>800

ah yes, gav the ogryn

and /tg/ has quite a lot of tearjerkers.

just look here:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=manly tears

Bump because the board needs moar 40k

Okay, so I'm thinking about doing another army after making a few tweaks to my Salamanders, and I want to do either an Eldar or Tyranid army. I like Eldar, but the new 'Nids look so freakin' awesome. Recommendations?

>>1462

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tyranids/TYRANID-HIEROPHANT-BIO-TITAN.html

Nids.

>>1463
That looks cool and all, but I don't have money to buy pretty much anything from Forge World. One day I hope to be able to buy a Warhound and a Thunderhawk, but that's a loooong way off.

>>1465

Wow, good luck finding a table big enough to deploy a Thud on. The 'Hounds at least have a reasonably sized footprint.

I've seen a Thud take up a whole third of a table.

>>1468
The Thunderhawk would be for display only. I don't think we've had even Apocalypse battles big enough to justify a Thunderhawk.

>>1469

True enough.

But for me, I can't have something as bad ass as a Thud, assembled, painted and just put it on display. It has to be USED as well.

That, and I want to hack one up and customize it to hell and back. >:3

I have an idea that I think would just fit in so well with the Apoc. game type.

Thunderhawk Gunship, ala AC-130 "Spooky"

http://www.nationalreview.com/images/pic_ac-130specs.gif

But, with Assault Cannons(replace 30mm vulcans), L.Barrel Auto's(40mm BOFORS), and a Basilisk(105mm Arty).

Yeah.

I am nuts.

>>1470
I waited 3 years for this exact reason.
However then I just gave in and bought the damned thing.
And a Reaver Titan.
Which I have yet to build.

I was weak willed.

>>1470

Hey, go nuts, man. I put a friggen Supa-Gatler on a 1/48th scale A-10, and plan to put Deffgunz in the wings on top of that.

>>1529
That's pretty awesome

Since the Space Wolves are essentially Space Vikings...

Where are the pirates? are they the orks or are they just humans with stolen ships?

>>1529

Needs moar choppy.

>>1527

The hard part will be working up the nerve to cut into such a lovely resin cast.

>>1530

Thanks. Though I'm still at odds on what I'm going to do with the cock-pit.

>>1534

Pirates = Dark Eldar, believe it or not.

>>1545
>Needs moar choppy.

I'z werkin' on it!

>>1556
i just thought they were pure canon fodder, since any army i play against gets it's ass handed to it

>>1545
You are utterly correct.
Thunderhawk is built and primed.
The Reaver...
Well, its still in bits in the corner.
I'm too scared to build it, but the head is on top of my desk. Glaring at me.

>>1572

They can be nasty if played right. But that's the problem: You HAVE to play them a VERY specific way or you'll lose every time.

After the Damolceses (I know I'm spelling that wrong) Gulf Crusade, was there ever a second attempt by the Imperium to push into Tau Space?

I don't think I've mentioned how much BULLSHIT I think it is, that the Blood Angels can D.Strike a Land Raider.

Fucking God, I'm trying to find a torrent of the latest BA codex to see this shit myself, after some 12 year old git pulled that shit on me at a game.

>>1582

A friend of mine has that codex.
And yes. They can.

>>1576
Well, i guess in that case Vikings > Pirates (at least with how lucky i got.
>>1586
WHAT!? when did that happen?

>>1588
Couple of months ago.
Blood angels are THE deepstrike army.

>>1590
Deepstriking a Land Raider sounds impressive, but it's also a really risky move. Aside from all the other fun things that can go wrong with a deepstrike, it can't move the turn it arrives on and can only shoot. That makes it extremely vulnerable to tank hunter units, like Ork Tank Bustas with their S10 tankhammers, Space Marines with either thunder hammers or melta bombs, or 'Nid Hive Tyrants, Carnifexes or other large and nasty biomorphs. Ideally, you'd want to deep strike a Land Raider Redeemer into a large concentration of enemy troops so the flamestorm cannons could do the most damage(and keep most forces out of assault range).

>>1591

Still doesn't make it any less homosexual, risky or not.

>>1591
Oh indeed, however the decent of angels rule means that a good portion of your army will end up where you need it to support the bohemoth.

>>1592
Please enlighten me, as I play the space commies, how is this "homosexual"?

>>1596

Deep striking tanks...is pretty out there, for 40k and cheesy. MST3K cheesy.

>>1596

Ah, fuck it. I'll come out and say I really don't care for that rule, or option, the BA's have.

>>1596
What, specifically, is the Descent of Angels rule?

>>1602
Descent of Angels, if I recall, is a unique Deep-Strike rule for some Blood Angels (whom I refer to as Sparkly SPESS VAMPIRES) where they don't scatter. PERIOD. AND they can assault that same term.
But I'm just going off what I was told over and over by my friend who likes to brag about this stuff even though he doesn't just play to win oh no sir so I mostly try to tune out his penis-waving but he's a straight male who's scared of girls so it's OK.

  >>1606
Okay, actually, that ISN'T how it works(Thank God!). I found a pretty good YouTube video from theses guys at Beasts Of War explaining how this works and reading the rule straight from the rulebook.

Ave Imperator.

>>1607

I almost said I was almost certain they had a rule similar to that, but I think what I might've been thinking about was how that friend of mine kept threatening homing beacon + Land Raider rape.

Ah, NOW I remember. It was one of the special characters that gave no-scatter + assault same turn to that squad.

>>1621
Ah, although I have heard that BA Land Raiders can deep strike.

>>1597
and dropping robots that are essentially braindead is any LESS cheesy?

>>1623
You talking about Tau or Necrons?

>>1622

Believe me, they can. That's something else that friend of mine keeps yammering on about.
Though apparantley the Blood Angels aren't as broken as they used to be, not just according to that video that was posted but also presumable considering my friend's thinking about switching to Tau. And believe me, I've heard some nasty rumors about Tau. (jet-packs on Fire Warriors, anyone?)

>I've heard some nasty rumors about Tau. (jet-packs on Fire Warriors, anyone?)

Faggotry most foul. D:

>>jet-packs on Fire Warriors, anyone?

with the way codex are going, I can see this...

>>1624
Tau, Necrons and Dreadnoughts. All brain dead, all pack fiyapowah.
>>1625
>I've heard some nasty rumors about Tau. (jet-packs on Fire Warriors, anyone?)
...fahk.

>>1628
Uhhh...hate to break it to you, but Dreadnaughts aren't brain dead. Actually, the brain is the only thing that ain't dead yet.

>>1625
>I've heard some nasty rumors about Tau. (jet-packs on Fire Warriors, anyone?)

Sup?

>>1630

Fuck THAT. That's fuckin' witch-craft and shit, man.

Actually the last bit of tau info I got spoke of an army wide BS increase.
And a markerlight boost.

>>1645
Yeah, because Tau at BS 3 weren't doing enough damage. /sarcasm

>>1645

Jesus fucking Christ. >.<

Games Workshop really loves their space-commies, don't they?

>>1651
Don't even get me started when it comes to their fluff..

>>1654

Tau fluff is fucking retarded. That's really all that's needed. :s

>Play against a tau player using vanilla codex marines.
>Deep Strike Vanguard Veterans+Pimped out Chapter Master by his tanks because he isn't hogwalling them with Fire Warriors.
>HELLO, POWERFIST.

>>1654
oh come on, they're adorably naive.

Like when they killed a lord of secrets and thought that they defeated Slaanesh hirself. And if you're talking about their codex being all sueish about how great they are, pretty much every codex says that about themselves. It's just that since the Tau are so isolated, no other codexes have stories about them kicking the Tau's ass.

>>1671

>Chaplain w/Crozius, P.Pistol, Rosarius, Liturgies of Battle
>Attach Chaplain to Vanguard Veteran Squad w/Relic Blade, Lightning Claws, Melta Bombs, Frag/Krak grenades
>DROP POD ASSAULT MOTHERFUCKERS
>Watch Ork opponent cry bitch tears as RAPE MARINES cut a 109 model swath of destruction before falling.

>>1674

I LOVE Apocalypse games. :3

>>1674
>Vanguard Veteran Squad

>>1672
Despite having the worst ships of any faction, they managed to defeat an entire splinter fleet without losing a single ship.

Meanwhile, the Imperium, which has more than a bit of experience with 'nids and is even mentioned in BFG as WTFPWNing the Tau in space almost every time, routinely lose dozens of ships to even the smallest splinter fleets.

Orks somehow are completely eliminated from Tau worlds, whereas every other faction has to deal with them for decades/centuries after an Ork invasion.

The Tau still have not had any significant defeats. Even in the Fall of Medusa, they were one of the lowest ranked forces, but still, the ending went "lol, we somehow managed to achieve all of our objectives even though we didn't 'win' so I guess that means we won anyway! ^_^ ".

Then there's Farsight, who the Tau pretty much responded with "okay, bro, you go stay over there, we're not going to come back and try to kill you for abandoning the Greater Good or anything!" I actually encountered someone on /tg/ who said that the Tau dealt with him and showed him up.. Because Commander Shadowsun blew up a statue of him.... Awesome.

tl;dr - Nothing bad ever happens to the Tau.

>>1677
Maybe it will change with the new codex. Plenty of room for losses or adding grimmdark. But maybe there's some already.

Think of it like this: The Bad Stuff is subtle. The strict Cast system invokes the idea of a totalitarian regime. Think of what ISN'T being written in the Tau Codex. With every real-world Cast system, there's usually a group of "castless", It would make sense that there would be one with the Tau.

It also serves to explain the lack of major losses. take your Splinter fleet example. Maybe they sent out a hundred thousand ships, three thousand survived. When they return, what the ethereals print in history (and their Codex) is that they went in with 3000 ships and had no losses.

>>1676

I must be the only one who takes the squad without Jump Packs...

>>1680
Why would you take Vanguard Vets WITHOUT Jump Packs?

>>1672
>>1677

Not true. Look at the Ork Codex and its story about "The War of Dakka".

>>1680
I have trouble justifying Vanguard vets at all with their point cost.

And without jump packs, you're pretty much stuck putting them into a LR just to make sure they get stuck in.

>>1683
Every Tau codex or mention says they simply don't deal with Ork infestations because they don't happen (as they're never commented on).

>>1684
I think it's actually cheaper to take a Terminator Squad in a Land Raider than to take a Vanguard Vet w/ a Land Raider, not to mention it increases their survivability.

>>1684
Think of it with this phrasing: "Tau worlds don't have Ork infestations."

Let's say that an orkish invasion does come to a tau world. By some stroke of luck the tau manage to fight it off, but they keep coming back, again and again and again. The Ethereals decide that, since orks will never listen to reason and join the tau and never go away, it isn't a tau world anymore. Cut off from the rest of the Empire. For the Greater Good, of course. A world with unbeatable odds in constant struggle would be bad for the Empire's image.

>>1684

Well, what basically happened in "The War of Dakka" was that an Ork Warboss was waging war with a bunch of Kroot Warspheres because they were fun to scrap with. Then when the Tau came to help the Kroot the Warboss got pissed and declared war on the Tau. Two huge battles ensued where the Orks were cut down both times (one of them even including the infamous Cap'n Badrukk), but by the third battle the Orks actually pulled a retreat-pincer maneuver (a popular Tau tactic apparantley), which devastated the Tau forces and gave the Orks more enough dakka to make the richest of Bad Moons envious. And, of course, word spread of this great fight so MORE Orks started pouring into the system, so the Tau are pretty much stuck in a constant struggle with the Orks on that little side of their empire.

>>1684

Drop Pods negate the need for an LR, and the Vanguards suit my unusual tactics rather well, for their cost.

My Chapy+Vanguard+Dpod combo has yet to fail.

>>1693
But you're still paying way to much points-wise for what amounts to 1 extra attack per model.

>>1692
I know about the War of Dakka, it doesn't change the fact that Tau somehow, magically are able to cleanse their worlds of Ork spores after battles.

>>1695

For Apoc games, there's no such thing as too expensive a model.

>>1696

You'd think if they had some technology that was able to sterilize worlds like that they'd tell about it in the fluff so they could gloat moar.

tbh the best way to run vanguards is with a LR/no jump packs, unless you play Blood Angels.

Then you just deep strike land raiders everywhere while laughing like a giant douche.

Short of that, using Vulkan for MELTASTORM is fun against vehicle-heavy armies.

>>1696
Perhaps they do it the same way the imperium usually does it.
Liberal application of fire or a futuristic version of agent orange.

http://ultramarinesthemovie.com/teaser

SPEHS MAHREENS!

  >>1844
I still prefer the intro zoom in to Terra and its narrator.

>>1844

I am now uncertain as to what's cheesier about Space Marines: Their rules in-game, or their new movie trailer. :V

>>1856
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE NARRATOR IS BRIAN BLESSED.

>>1864

SPESS MAHREENS, even worse, Ultramarines, we're talking about the Mary Sue chapter so, it's going to be cheesy.

Imperial Fists are greater in my opinion

>>1867
Salamanders are best!

>>1868
This.

>>1867

I wonder how many people it will piss off when they get exposed to the semi-benevolent nature of the Ultra-Smurfs, and then witness the extremist nature of *insert any other chapter here*? :V

>>1891

Probably more people than I piss off by saying my Marines are Space Wolf successors.

>>1952

That reminds me, I told myself one of these days I was going to try to update the Angry Marines codex...

>>1968
I have been slowly working on it for a while.
Theres not alot needed, just a rejigging of points in line with current books and the shifting of the armoury section into unit selection.

>>1983

I was mostly thinking of coming up with ways to make people rage much like how alot of the other Marine books make people rage because of one or two rules.
Oh, and removing "NO FUCKING IMPOSTERS" because that's just stupid.

>>1997

Define "No imposters" for me. I don't have a copy of the ANGRY CODEX.

"NO FUCKING IMPOSTERS!" was a special rule for Commissar Fuklaw that states that if there's another Commissar Fuklaw in play, he HAS to go attack and kill that unit. I figure it's a rather weak and cheesy (not as in "overpowered" cheesy, but cheesy as "Man, that's so lame and cheesy" cheesy).
Also, speaking of Angry Fuckers, I present the late Brother-Sergeant Walt Kowalski.

In other pointless news, played a friend in a 1250 point game the other day. I know he had Veterans with 3 Meltas in a Chimera, a Leman Russ, I think 2-3 squads of Guardsmen (ill-equipped to fight my Orks this time, oddly enough), Sly Marbo, 6 Ogryn, and I think that's about it.
Where-as I had a Big Mek (Good ol' Bignutz) with a KFF, Cybork Body and Kombi Rokkit-Shoota, 2 squads of 30 Shoota Boyz each with 2 Big Shootaz and 1 Rokkit Launcha (both RLs being Bignutz's special, the "rokkit-propelled chain choppa", purely aesthetic of course) as well as a Nob with Bosspole and Big Choppa. On top of that I had 2 10-strong mobs of Lootas (JUST Lootas), a 3-strong mob fo Killa Kanz (2 RLs, 1 Grotzooka), a Deff Dread with Big Shoota/Skorcha, another Deff Dread with 2 extra CCW (all walkers also had Grot Riggers), and a Battlewagon with 'Ard Case, Grot Riggers, Deff Rolla and Kannon.
I ended up decimating him because he rolled TERRIBLY all game. When Marbo finally came in he tried tossing his demo-charge into the rear armor of my close-combat Dread (whom I call "Da Bloo Meeny"). He got a direct hit, but only rolled a 1 for penetrating (demo-charge is S8)
He missed alot of shots, but what made things worse was he seemed to be more concerned about my Kanz and Dreads than my infantry, and he kept shooting my walkers with Heavy Bolters and Krak grenades, none of which did any real damage. The only thing that managed to damage any of them was when he assaulted my Kanz with his Ogryn later in the game. He opened fire on them first and managed to wreck one, blow the arm off another. Then my Kanz got to have a go at him and managed to kill one of them out-right, dealing 1 more wound than he dealt to me. He takes his moral test, fails, sweeping advance roll failed for him so I slaughtered his Ogryn outright.
All in all he lost Marbo, his Ogryn, his Chimera, his Vets, and over a dozen Guardsmen, but later in the game he managed to land a nasty pie-plate on my just-now-rolled-in-from-reserves Lootas and force one of the mobs to run off the board.
So all in all, I lost I think 10 Boyz, 10 Lootas, and 1 Kan compared to his Chimera, Veterans, Ogryn, Marbo, and at least 15 Guardsmen. I technically lost my Battlewagon as well because he forgot that Meltas add 1 to their damage roll, so instead of being immobilised it would've been wrecked.
All in all, it was a good game, though Marbo has been officially fired since he managed to do fuck-all the whole game. :V