I don't know if this is possible, but is there anyway you to have the mods twitter linked the site? That way smaller announcements and just general opinions can be read easily?

Also i'd ask for a Kemono board but i'd be filling it up myself ha. Maybe in a year or so if Japanese furry art gets a little bit more popular with the main furry culture that would be useful but at the moment seems pointless.

Also for the games/anime/tv etc thats all in currant. Seems the best idea would be tv and films get a board and anime and games get one. Because they are closely linked at times. I don't know, I've no idea about how to run a board but these are my 2 cents so spend them how you want :3

By the way, by the twitter thing i mean that maybe a side bar on right that shows with announcements. Kind of how tumblr an be linked with twitter. Sorry, i'm terrible at explaining myself.

any changes to the other boards?

/fisk/ ? (not that i see any need for it...)

Another idea that has been tossed around, since I didn't see it in Sechs' post, is a collaboration board (or in more general terms, /collab/; the board name would obviously be up for suggestions and debate) - a board for the Artists Alley which would be for setting up collaborative projects with other artists (not necessarily furry in nature, but obviously that's what we'd be leaning toward).

Additionally, we would like to see someone step up and provide us with a new CSS scheme for both the general site itself and our image storage area (which runs on the fuckflickr software). If you need the CSS files for either one, I can provide them for you, or you can go to the Kusaba X and fuckflickr websites, download the necessary files, and work from there. (Google is your friend.)

>>539

Generally, you can follow my Twitter for small announcements about the site and such. Granted, you'll have to put up with me retweeting Techdirt articles quite a bit, but still.

http://twitter.com/sagefreehaven

>>541

This is what this thread's here for - if you have any ideas on what we can do to make the site better, we're happy to hear them, and that includes any reasoning as to why you think a board should be axed, or how a board could be changed in order to make it better.

I have to protest the possible closure of /use/. It's the only place I really feel comfortable arguing. So I have to ask, why is it a source of frustration for you?

How about segregating the male homosexual art from the good stuff?

I'm for keeping SOME boundry between /dammit/ and /wtfur/ I honestly really hate it when threads phasing a certain artist turn into shitfests involving the artist's skill and personal life. I've had it happen to a few friends on lulz and other sites and it gets to me. It's one of the main reasons I come here and not places like Lulz.net

I mean if it gonna happen, it's gonna happen, but it'd be nice if it was in a separate thread at least

also, totally out in the open suggestion

/copyright/
-A board devoted to discussion, drama, and content devoted to the topic of copyright. gotta question about Copyright law? post here. An artist is DMCAing people for stupid reasons? post it here. is such and such REALLY in the public domain? there.

>>545

If you're referring to /dammit/ with this? Not a chance. It's one of the things that we absolutely hate about Fchan, and we're not bringing that bullshit here.

>>545

How about no.

>>546

I think we're probably going to try and get people to take griping to wtfur or whatever board it winds up being more. We'll have to work to find the line between the other boards being more drama-free without turning them into hugboxes, but oh well, we'll work at it.

>>547

That will probably be Sage's board. If he wants it set up for people to ask him questions and stuff, that's up to him. He's the one who's the most interested in it, we don't need a whole other board for it.

>>550

Indeed, I'll have a stickied thread on my board (at least initially) for such issues. I'll try to hold back on the Techdirt links this time around; they have a Twitter feed which one can follow.

>>545

Do you know how annoying that would be? Jesus.

Obviously, this is all a tough balancing act. Bouncing ideas off of folks is good, but for the sake of keeping things simple, I'd lean towards input from the regulars rather than some lurker.

But hey, that's my opinion.

>>553

Obviously, we're going to hold the input of board regulars in a bit higher regard than that of a lurker or an anonymous poster, but if an idea is good and supported by solid reasoning, it'll be considered no matter who presents the idea.

>>Sage and I both believe in (free speech)
>>I both believe in (free speech)
>>I believe in free speech
good one

(And nothing of value was lost.)

>>544
I agree with ID here. While I don't post on /use/ (or any of the boards) nearly as much as I used to, I do still enjoy having /use/ around for the more sticky, hot-button issues. At the very least, I'm glad it's a possibility and not set in stone.

The only problem I have with the failed segregation of /wtfur/ and /dammit/, especially with how it was envisioned, was that people simply took it to mean 'blind praise goes in dammit, take your icky criticism elsewhere'. So people would still whine in the Clubstripes thread about there being no Gideon, or perform some form of Gideon fellating (as an example which personally annoyed me), but god help you if you called them on it. That sort of thing.
On that note, separating webcomics and stock art seems like a good call, I like that idea. There are enough webcomics and webcomic discussion that having that kind of split would work well.

Also, the 'personal shit' board would be a welcome return. I actually enjoyed that board.

>>555

And had you trolled me with that on /use/, you might have gotten away with it, too.

"Free speech" and "letting a bunch of spoiled brats run around being dickheads to their hearts' content on my personal site" are not the same thing.

There are plenty of places on the internet that your kind can run around and textually reenact Lord of the Flies, this doesn't need to be one, and I'm not going to turn it into one because of the troll definition of free speech as opposed to the actual definition.

I think /fisk/ is pretty fine as it is, although having one large comic thread would be good, all the catalogue items in one spot? But as it is, the board isn't that big, it's easy to find them on its own.
Otherwise, this board is WONDERFUL, thanks for not becoming a 4chan Sechs and Freehaven :)

I'd like to see /use/ still around, since it's really the only category we can talk politics in, and even though there's not much going on now, that doesn't mean it won't pick up again.

if /gaymes/ is born, will it serve as a combination /tg/ and /vg/?

I will totally post DORF FORTRESS related shits there, either way.

>>559
>thanks for not becoming a 4chan Sechs and Freehaven :)

That's rather easy as we're not anywhere near as big, and we let /furi/ go about being /b/ with a smattering of furry porn.

>>562
>if /gaymes/ is born, will it serve as a combination /tg/ and /vg/?

I hope so. Besides, it'd make sense if it were.

>>537

>The floor is now open.

Don't try to hard to fix what isn't broken. Change is good, but there's something to be said the the status quo. The status quo becomes the status quo for a reason.

Just sayin.

>>556
>The only problem I have with the failed segregation of /wtfur/ and /dammit/, especially with how it was envisioned, was that people simply took it to mean 'blind praise goes in dammit, take your icky criticism elsewhere'.

Which is pretty fuckin' incredible TBH, especially because it was simply "Discussion about art goes in /dammit/, discussion about comic storylines, characters or whatnot goes in /wtfur/." I honestly can't believe that some people took it some other way.. Particularly because I know for a fact that I've reiterated the distinction numerous times.

>>537

a couple months ago, I would've argued for keeping /use/, but it seems like lately it's been more fighting and less discussion, so I haven't been going there as much.

>/pr0n/ could stay as it is, or get divided up into separate sections (for drawn and real people)
I'd say keep it as it is now, since it seems like it doesn't get enough traffic to bother splitting it up.

>The return of a board for "personal" stuff. Possibly /lj/ or /blahblah/ or something like that.
just for clarification, would this basically be for random stuff going on in our personal lives? if so, I'd vote for this, since I've been kinda wanting a board like that since I started coming here. and we could start a birthday banning thread. :P

>>542
I like this idea, since I can't draw for shit, but I like to occasionally color other people's stuff.

Adding a general animation board sounds good, I've wanted to bring up topics in /currant/ but since It wasn't really current events(more "just wondering your guys' opinion on *insert anime here* and following disscussion) I never actually went through with it.
>>565

Well then maybe a further segregation isn't needed, but more definition. Like a stickied post of "Do *This*, Don't Do *That*, Take *This/That* to wtfur". Original? No, but hell if it doesn't get the job done(to some degree at least)

And I wonder, you think Scrappy(PedoTaz) would ever stir up enough shit to warrent his own board(akin to /fisk/)

Honestly, the only real change I can see being needed is making a separate board for comics and periodical updates like ClubStripes because otherwise they end up flooding up /dammit/ and /wtfur/ AND people turn the /dammit/ threads into shitfests that should be on/wtfur/.

Sechs
If I may put in my .02 on changes to the fora.
Please keep /use/, granted it has slowed a bit recently but it is one of the few sites of this type that I've come across where one can post a thought other than extolling the virtues of all the unicorns and rainbows shooting out Supreme Leader O's ass and not have the /b/tard like O-bots descend to wipe out dissenting viewpoints.
Another plus is that unlike some other fora that responded to butt hurt O-bots raising a stink over insufficent love and adoration to Dear Leader by yanking any "off topic" boards this site seems to be one to tell the butt hurt to go and pound sand.
With that said it is your site and whatever changes you wish to make is finally up to you but just know whatever decision you make this ol Cabbit will still be lurking about and enjoying the site.

>>568
Fuck my idea, this is better

>>569
If a board is slow, no point in keeping it, maybe make it a THREAD instead? I dunno, just save space, bandwidth, etc. etc.

>>549

>>We'll have to work to find the line between the other boards being more drama-free without turning them into hugboxes, but oh well, we'll work at it.

You seem to be able to tell the difference between genuine valid criticism and people just being petty and negative. A simple lack of negative criticism shouldn't get something labeled as a hugbox, and it seems silly to allow empty hate and drama just to avoid the appearance of a hugbox. Though I dunno why it should seem like artificial fluffy gumdrop time if it just so happens that people seem to have mostly good things to say about something/someone. Any time you see someone get X amount of praise, you seem to have people who have to hate on them and dismiss any or all positivity as phony ass-kissing. Complimenting just because everyone else does it isn't any more retarded than being derogatory just because no-one else is.

And it wouldn't hurt anyone to have it pointed out to them once in a while the difference between valid criticism and just hating to be different by you guys instructing people to keep general bitching/personal gripes separate from legitimate constructive criticism and artistic discussion.

As for suggestions, I'll toss this out just because I was asked to and I'm curious what kind of reaction it will receive. In the interests of respecting artists (like, ACTUAL respect and not just the bare minimum absolutely forced upon you by law, which, honestly, does not equate to respect in any way); how about a minimum time frame, say, a month or two, where new pay-site content is DNP by default (obviously excluding sites that have made arrangements with you and agreed to allow their content to be posted)? As in, if it is pay-site content that is less them 1-2 months old, it's DNP to give at least a little bit of time to the artists before devaluing their work by removing the reason for people to pay for it.

Obviously nobody wants you to have an fchan DNP list, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask users to hold off >at least< a single measly month before posting the fresh new pay-site content they just got. People complaining about redistribution of work they already made freely available is one thing, but when they offer their work specifically for paying customers only, that's a different matter.

It would be a much better image and impression for you to have with artists if you approach >them< asking if they want to opt-in and allow their content to be posted right away. Especially when you can show that your default is a stance more respectful of the fact that clearly they do not want their material freely distributed if they put it behind a paywall.

It seems like it would be a stance much more conducive to artists being willing to work with you.

>>571
Just because it's slow now doesn't mean it won't be later. The current political issues have been simmering for a while and so actual discussion on them has devolved into aimless bashing, as with all political debates. Eventually something will come along to spark discussion again. Plus you do not want to limit things to one thread three years from now when the next election campaign is gearing up.

Idea:

Tech support board.

You'd be surprised how popular they can get, and we do have quite a few nerds on here. Plus having people you can (kinda sorta) trust is good. :3

>>572
>>how about a minimum time frame, say, a month or two, where new pay-site content is DNP by default (obviously excluding sites that have made arrangements with you and agreed to allow their content to be posted)? As in, if it is pay-site content that is less them 1-2 months old, it's DNP to give at least a little bit of time to the artists before devaluing their work by removing the reason for people to pay for it.

The thing is, at the moment, this isn't that much of an issue. The only real pay site content that is posted with anything like regularity is Clubstripes and the pics from Jay Naylor's subscription sketchblog.

Our arrangement with Clubstripes means we don't really need lagtime, and frankly we're not going to try and respect Naylor's "art"... he posts like two or three sketches a month, half of which he posts on his FA anyway, we're not going to respect his right to charge for that shit.

For the most part, we don't see a lot of other pay site content... most people just don't post it here. We get a little bit from Onta's, but really only the one comic, the "loose" pics don't turn up much. We do have an official policy of two months' lag time on allowable posting of Fur After Dark pics, but even then we don't see that posted much.

At the moment pay site content isn't common enough to warrant nailing down a policy regarding it, other than our current policy of not allowing siterips. If it begins to become more common we may consider some sort of policy about it, but frankly at the moment, despite a few people whining up a storm, there's just not that much pay content here.

>>576
>We do have an official policy of two months' lag time on allowable posting of Fur After Dark pics, but even then we don't see that posted much.

For the record.. You can blame >>542 for that.

>>577

Shut up Rags. B|

What's the purpose of a personal board exactly?

>>579

To have one.

Well, basically, it's a board for those of us who will have one to post whatever we feel like without worrying about having to start up a thread, what board it fits into, whether it fits into any board, etc.

>>580

I have feeling that they'd just get turned into glorified blogs, but another idea for said boards would be maybe if each board had a sticky thread where artists could post their artwork of you guys as well

>>581

You know, that's actually a good idea.

>>578
Amirong?

>>581
>>I have feeling that they'd just get turned into glorified blogs

So?

And you can't have one. ;p

On the /use/ loss, I was going to say some sort of "Don't do it!" nonsense...and then I realized:

>* No more /use/. And there was much rejoicing on lulz.

TGFB isn't like lulz. Lulz is run by left-wing people, but the board is public. Most of the people on the board are left-leaning, but its a public board. TGFB is a private board. You guys are unabashedly right, and you may not ban for left-leaning ideals, but you use liberal like its a synonym for "Dumb as nails", and act like any opinion that disagrees with yours is less important. Lulz may be a moshpit of left-leaning, but This is a forced environment of Centrist-to-right.

>>585

Feel free to cry about it.

>>585
>but you use liberal like its a synonym for "Dumb as nails", and act like any opinion that disagrees with yours is less important.

And you don't think that the other side of the aisle is exactly the same? Wow. Just.. Fucking wow.

>but This is a forced environment of Centrist-to-right.

Hardly.

>>587

I never said that it wasn't, I was saying that you guys (especially sechs) say "You don't ban for opposing political opinions" on /use/, yet you act like anyone whose political opinions conflict with yours is immediately worth less. And to your second comment, how isn't it?

>>584

I didn't ask for one,

I have other things I could say to you, but it's not worth the ban I'd get

>>588

>>589

How about I thwack you with the banhammer anyway, to see if it knocks loose that sandy pinecone lodged in your ass?

Can't we all just try to pretend to get along? ;_;

>>592
No. That said, I'd love a /gaymes/ board for /v/ and /tg/ related stuff without all the rage and neckbeardery. Also, monstergirls.

We're not calling it /gaymes/. We have enough "hurfdurf homosexuals" jokes on the site as it is.

>>593

I'm neckbeard enough, though mine is more like a 5 O'clock shadow.

and yes, monstergirls.

>>594

damn. I guess I'll have to just go make my own /gaymes/. only with blackjack. and hookers. infact, forget the /gaymes/.

ah, screw the whole thing.

>>594
For the record..

I'll ban the first person who makes a thread asking "what happens when teh emporor wakes up??".

I'm not seeing a lot of feedback/ideas, people.

B|

>>596
This just made my day
>>597
...what?
>>598
How about a section for TV and film. like /watch/ or /moovies/ or something else.
>>594
Well first this is the internet, and second am I the only one who just saw /gaymes/ as an intentional misspelling and not specificaly focused on 'gay'?

>>600

You nailed my intention. Gay just happens to be there. But whatevs.

Like the others im gonna have to protest dropping /use/. I never posted there but it was interesting to read some of the topics. As for the arguing that goes on there, in my experience there seems to be two things that people can't discuss without it eventually turning into a mess-
1-Politics
2-Religion
So really i think it comes with the territory.

>>594
How about /fun/? Since, you know, that's what games are supposed to be. Just a thought.

>>604

Actually I kinda like that. Not as gimmicky as our other board names, but simple and straightforward, and expresses my own opinion nicely as well.

>>605
one question, /fun/ would basically be anything under the sun considered a game, right? Like not just videogames, but maybe tabletop RTS, D&D, boardgames(Catan..anyone?)

>>606

Yes.

We also have ideas for the names of our proposed boards:

/hugbox/ - the LJ-esque "personal" board
/caw/ - Comics, Animation, and Webcomics

If you think you have better ideas, by all means, share them.

I've got to admit that I love the idea of a personal board, because I was going to post a link to a song I recorded on the attention-whoring thread but it was locked 2 days before I finished. Also, I like to pretend that people care what I have to say :]

As far as the stagnation of /use/ I will admit that I haven't been posting or even visiting that board as much as I used to. It has gotten stagnant as of late and my reasoning at least for avoidance was that I didn't link being called an idiot when I posted. HOWEVER, It still provides entertainment and /use/ful (heh) information from time to time (love the LOLBritain thread). I would be sad to see it go, but I do admit that something needs to be done about it.

One idea I just came up with a second ago. I know this will never, EVER be implemented in a million years, but how about something like /rant/. A no-holds-barred board where people can go nuts about anything on their mind without fear of the banhammah (disclaimer: this is nowhere near serious).

How about a board for movies and TV shows? since that seems to be a pretty big thing over on /currant/.

A question and an idea:

Question; since I play rock band a lot, I was think of starting a thread where I occasionally show off things I've done. Would this be better suited for /lj/ or /fun/?

Idea: how about something like /music/, where we discuss musical events, bands we like, anything pertaining to music, really.

'nother suggestion, /lit/ or /book/

basically where you can discuss writing in general, novels, authors, plays(or written adaptations), etc.

A little more than a week until the New Year, guys - more input!

Don't be afraid to talk to us. If you think there's something we could be doing better, we'll be more than happy to listen. If you think you have an idea of how to make an existing board better, share it! We're not going to be making final decisions until sometime in January, so any (reasonable) suggestions will be considered as Sechs and I hammer out the new board layout.

I assume that what would be /v/ and /tg/ on 4chan will go into the general comic manga whatever thing.

>>616

nah, that would be too general.

I see it being /fun/ for games and /ent/tertainment for comics,movies,tv,etc.

>>617

... So you think that's too general, but then you want to dump everything entertainment-related that's NOT games in one board?

Guys, we do appreciate the input, but please think before you post.

>>618
alright, alright, maybe not the best example. I'm certain tv and movies could be reliably lumped together.

So far, these are the proposed changes that I believe are the most likely to happen:

• Personal boards for site moderators and regular posters / friends; this is happening for sure
• /hugbox/ - A LiveJournal-esque "blog" board where posters can shoot the shit about their lives
• /caw/ - Comics, Animation, and Webcomics; basically, /co/-lite - this board would be NSFW, but not centered around porn
• /collab/ - Collaborative Efforts; a board for the Artists Alley in which artists can collaborate on artistic endeavours of any kind
• /fun/ - A board focused on games of all kinds; a mash-up of 4chan's /tg/ and /v/ boards
• A board for discussion of films and television shows; the name is still up in the air

If you have any more feedback on these ideas (or any others posited in this thread), or you have any more suggestions on other changes we could make, get your posts in now.

>>620
What is currently up on the chopping block, for reference sake?

>>622

/currant/ is obviously up on the block, and will likely be axed if /fun/, /caw/, and the TV/movies board come into existence (since /currant/ covers all of the subjects those boards would). Sechs and I have discussed /use/ being up on the chopping block, and I'm fairly sure it won't be going away, though that can always change. /pr0n/ stands to possibly be split into separate boards (as stated in the OP), or it could be deleted altogether; this will likely be discussed quite a bit once we're ready to start the final considerations for the board changes.

The Artist Alley boards are NOT up on the chopping block.

>>623
You should also increase the size of embeds. Kusaba has that strange annoyance of not letting embeds get bigger than 255x255, you can get around this by replacing the WIDTH and HEIGHT variables with your own values within the embed html itself.

>>620
I think it would be good to have the embed feature on /fun/ like you can in /use/ and /currant/, for when we want to show trailers for games, etc.

>>625
Or, shit, maybe we might have our own Let's Play thread at some point.

>>620

What've you got for the TV/Movie board name thus far? /vid/ would be nice and concise.

As for how things are looking now, I like the change lineup. One question occurs to me, and is related to something I mentioned in my earlier post: How would we be handling the 'take it to wtfur' thing we have going now? Separate threads for the art and discussion?

I submit /obey/ for the visual entertainment forum's name.

afterall, we all know all movies and tv media are out to control our lives.

>>627

We'll be discussing that, too. Not sure at the moment how we're gonna handle that.

Ok, i gotta question. Once the board change happens, what happens to content already on the board? Does it get discarded? Or moved to its apropriate place in the new setup?

If it's going to get removed, i kinda want to know so i can get anything before its gone.

>>630

After we've announced the new site layout, we're going to keep all the boards the way they are until we've gotten any and all new boards up and running; once the new boards are up, all of the boards that are to be axed will be locked and remain up until we feel all content that can and should be backed up has been, by our hands or someone else's. Since we cannot transfer threads between boards without all the images disappearing (Kusaba X 0.9 can do this, but last time we tried to do the upgrade, the site broke), any threads that are on boards scheduled to be deleted will be gone for good.

I am quite worried about /collab/ turning into 'DRAW MY DRAGON IT HAS FOUR COCKS NOT FIVE ONE FOR EACH ELEMENT', but in principle I'm interested.

I write, and that is a little more invisible in the furry fandom, so I am hugely interested in opportunities to get involved with artists... but the mechanics of that are a little beyond me.

If it's any use to you guys, the process has either been:

A) I get in touch with an artist by sending them (or posting in public) information about what I'm looking to do, generally write a comic script for 'em to draw, in an informal pitch document type thing, which they then respond to and discussion happens.

B) An artist either asks me personally or puts out a request for whatever kind of writing, scripts or something to go with illustrations or whatever, which is usually a very super informal pitch, which I then respond to.

I'm sure there are considerably better models for getting people to collaborate.

>>632

We'll be discussing this matter when we start to finalize all our plans for the site update, but if anyone else out there has any suggestions on how we could effectively structure /collab/, we're all ears.

How about /watch/ for the TV/movie board?

>>634

Works for me.

Any possibility of /Lit/ happening?

When did we all become 'Goddamned Anon'? I just noticed XD

>>635
I have what might serve as the background for the banner right here.

>>637
Did you clear your cookies recently?

>>635


Hey Sage, just wondering if you got my email on gmail?

>>639

Yes I did, and I'll bring the idea up with Sechs when we start discussing the board layout.

>>636
Guess not

Do you guys have an estimated date for this?

>>642

Discussions on the finalized board layout will begin this week (likely today), and we'll announce the changes once we're done. I think the plan is to have all the changes made by the end of the month.

>>643

Good deal. Thank you, sir.

I know this the lowest of your worries right now, but will you be changing the phrase "yiff yif-bang" to something different? And if so, can we give some suggestions?